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Trump delivers 2019 State of the Union address

September 3, 2019


JUDY WOODRUFF: Welcome to our “PBS NewsHour”
special live coverage of President Trump’s second State of the Union address, and the
Democratic response. I’m Judy Woodruff. Mr. Trump faces a deeply divided Congress
and nation. He is expected to call for unity, while, at
the same time, continuing his demand for a wall on the U.S. southern border with Mexico. Tonight’s address was delayed a week by the
federal government shutdown, with another potentially on the horizon next week. Stacey Abrams, who lost a close governor’s
race in Georgia last November, will deliver the Democratic response. But, for the first time, we will see newly
elected Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi seated behind Mr. Trump. It is his first address before this divided
Congress, with a new Democratic majority in the House. Our Lisa Desjardins is there at the Capitol,
and Yamiche Alcindor is at the White House. Yamiche, the president left the White House. He has just arrived at the Capitol. What do we expect him to say? YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, we know that president
is extremely excited to deliver this State of the Union address in the House chambers. Important to note that the president at one
point was looking at other locations outside Washington, D.C., to deliver his State of
the Union address, but instead decided that the House was where he wanted to deliver it
because of all of its grandeur and all of its history. We know that the president is going to be
talking about immigration. He is going to be casting immigration as a
moral issue, and saying that the political class of D.C. that is safe and that has gates
on their homes, that they are going to deny that same sense of security to working-class
people. The president is also going to try to deliver
a unifying message and talk about prescription drugs and infrastructure. But the one thing to remember, of course,
is that the president has some credibility issues on that, because Democrats are saying
that he has offended them, that he has insulted Democrats, that he has even suggested that
Democrats don’t believe in border security. But we are going to try to think that the
president is really going to try to deliver a message to say this is not about his agenda,
but about America’s agenda. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Lisa, at the Capitol,
it is hard to think of a State of the Union that has been preceded by as much drama as
we have had over the last few weeks, waiting to see whether this government shutdown would
end, they would come to some sort of temporary agreement. How has that affected the anticipation there? LISA DESJARDINS: I think there is a lot of
anxiety and frustration at deeper levels, especially for Republicans here at the U.S.
Capitol. But it is an interesting contrast tonight,
Judy, because there is also a different kind of excitement than I have felt in a while
here. And that’s because — think about it — there
are 101 new members of this Congress, many of them never elected to office before. (CROSSTALK) JUDY WOODRUFF: Lisa, I have got to interrupt
you just a second, just one second. MAN: The president of the United States! (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) JUDY WOODRUFF: And the president enters the
chamber of the House of Representatives. Lisa, I interrupted you, so that we could
hear the president announce by the sergeant at arms. But continue with what you were saying. You were saying a lot of anxiety there. LISA DESJARDINS: Well, I am happy to be interrupted
by the announcement of the president of the United States. (LAUGHTER) LISA DESJARDINS: I will step aside any time
for that. There is anxiety, especially among Republicans,
over the shutdown. And kind of in general, the last year has
been one of ups and downs legislatively. However, there is a lot of excitement because
think about this; 101 people in that chamber are newly elected. They have never been to a State of the Union
before. So there is almost just sort of like a first
day of school kind of excitement for many of these especially younger and first-time
lawmakers that are in that chamber tonight. JUDY WOODRUFF: Yes. You are exactly right. And a lot of them are a lot younger than the
class that preceded them. As we watch President Trump greet and be greeted
by members of Congress who are seated there along the aisle, I want to introduce all of
you to the team who is going to be with me, watching the president and analyzing his remarks
later. Joining us all this night, syndicated columnist
Mark Shields, Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report, Peter Wehner of the Ethics and Policy
— Public Policy Center in Washington. He served in the last three Republican administrations. Karine Jean-Pierre, senior adviser to MoveOn.org,
she worked in the Obama White House. And Chris Buskirk, editor of the conservative
blog American Greatness. Welcome to all of you. And, Mark Shields, I am going to come to you
first. MARK SHIELDS: Sure. JUDY WOODRUFF: This is the — President Trump’s
second State of the Union address, but the atmosphere, I think it is fair to say, is
very different from last year. MARK SHIELDS: Totally different, Judy. It’s a — after presidents have suffered stinging
rebukes in midterm elections, the common approach is to reach for common ground, to reach across
the aisle, to come in a little bit humbled, as Bill Clinton did in ’94, as George Bush
did in 2007. And it will be interesting to see if Donald
— if President Donald Trump does try that sort of grace note that particularly comes
to mind with George W. Bush, who said that he was — he felt privileged to speak words
that nobody had ever spoken before, “Madam Speaker,” when he introduced Nancy Pelosi
the first time she was speaker. And so I will just be interested to see how
he handles the rebuke, or just ignores it. JUDY WOODRUFF: And President Trump is giving,
as tradition would have it, a copy of his remarks, the address, to both Speaker Pelosi
and Vice President Mike Pence, both of whom will be sitting behind him. And we will be watching their reaction throughout
the night, because they are the fixture, as — again, as tradition would have it. The president at this point enjoying a round
of applause that he is getting as he — and everybody is standing, Democrats and Republicans. It is a point of honor as the president comes
in. Peter Wehner, you have watched this president
before. He seems to be enjoying the moment. PETER WEHNER, Ethics and Public Policy Center:
Well, he enjoys it when he’s the center of attention. And he is the center of attention. But I tell you, what I am looking for in the
speech is — his aides were saying that this is going to be an effort to unify the country. I just don’t think that is realistic. And the reason I don’t is that this is a person
whose entire presidency has been based on division and acrimony and anger. And, number one, I don’t know that he can
pull it off. And, number two, even if he does, I don’t
know how plausible it is or how long it will last. JUDY WOODRUFF: Amy Walter, that is the skepticism
that is out there, isn’t it? AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Well,
and it is a well-earned skepticism. (LAUGHTER) AMY WALTER: But, look, there are actually
real things on the table here that have to be — theoretically, have to be figured out
in the next few days here, especially about a potential government shutdown. DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
Thank you very much. JUDY WOODRUFF: The president. DONALD TRUMP: Madam Speaker, Mr. Vice President,
members of Congress, the first lady of the United States. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) Madam Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members
of Congress, the First Lady of the United States, and my fellow Americans:We meet tonight
at a moment of unlimited potential. As we begin a new Congress, I stand here ready
to work with you to achieve historic breakthroughs for all Americans. Millions of our fellow citizens are watching
us now, gathered in this great chamber, hoping that we will govern not as TWO PARTIES but
as ONE NATION. The agenda I will lay out this evening is
not a Republican Agenda or a Democrat Agenda. It is the agenda of the American People. Many of us campaigned on the same core promises:
to defend American jobs and demand FAIR TRADE for American workers; to rebuild and revitalize
our nation’s infrastructure; to reduce the price of healthcare and prescription drugs;
to create an immigration system that is safe, lawful, modern and secure; and to pursue a
foreign policy that puts America’s interests first. There is a new opportunity in American politics,
if only we have the courage to seize it. Victory is not winning for our party. Victory is winning for our COUNTRY. This year, America will recognize two important
anniversaries that show us the Majesty of America’s Mission, and the Power of American
Pride. In June, we mark 75 years since the start
of what General Dwight D. Eisenhower called the Great Crusade — the Allied liberation
of Europe in World War II. On D-Day, June 6th, 1944, fifteen thousand
young American men jumped from the sky and sixty thousand more stormed in from the sea,
to save our civilization from tyranny. Here with us tonight are three of those heroes:
Private First Class Joseph Reilly, Staff Sergeant Irving Locker, and Sergeant Herman Zeitchik. Gentlemen, we salute you. In 2019, we also celebrate 50 years since
brave young pilots flew a quarter of a million miles through space to plant the American
flag on the face of the moon. Half a century later, we are joined by one
of the Apollo 11 astronauts who planted that flag: Buzz Aldrin. This year American astronauts will go back
to space on American rockets. In the 20th century, America saved freedom,
transformed science, and redefined the middle class standard of living for the entire world
to see. Now, we must step boldly and bravely into
the next chapter of this Great American Adventure, and we must create a new standard of living
for the 21st century. An amazing quality of life for all of our
citizens is within our reach. We can make our communities safer, our families
stronger, our culture richer, our faith deeper, and our Middle Class bigger and more prosperous
than ever before. But we must reject the politics of revenge,
resistance and retribution — and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise
and the common good. Together, we can break decades of political
stalemate. We can bridge old divisions, heal old wounds,
build new coalitions, forge new solutions, and unlock the extraordinary promise of America’s
future. The decision is ours to make. We must choose between greatness or gridlock,
results or resistance, vision or vengeance, incredible progress or pointless destruction. Tonight, I ask you to choose GREATNESS. Over the last two years, my administration
has moved with urgency and historic speed to confront problems neglected by leaders
of BOTH parties over many decades. In just over two years since the election,
we have launched an unprecedented economic boom — a boom that has rarely been seen
before. We have created 5.3 million new jobs and importantly
added 600,000 new manufacturing jobs –something which almost everyone said was impossible
to do, but the fact is, we are just getting started. Wages are rising at the fastest pace in decades,
and growing for blue collar workers, who I promised to fight for, faster than anyone
else. Nearly 5 million Americans have been lifted
off food stamps. The U.S. economy is growing almost twice as
fast today as when I took office, and we are considered far and away the hottest economy
anywhere in the world. Unemployment has reached the lowest rate in
half a century. African-American, Hispanic-American and Asian-American
unemployment have all reached their lowest levels ever recorded. Unemployment for Americans with disabilities
has also reached an all-time low. More people are working now than at any time
in our history — 157 million. We passed a massive tax cut for working families
and doubled the child tax credit. We virtually ended the estate, or death, tax
on small businesses, ranches, and family farms. We eliminated the very unpopular Obamacare
individual mandate penalty — and to give critically ill patients access to life-saving
cures, we passed RIGHT TO TRY. My Administration has cut more regulations
in a short time than any other administration during its entire tenure. Companies are coming back to our country in
large numbers thanks to our historic reductions in taxes and regulations. We have unleashed a revolution in American
Energy — the United States is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the
world. And now, for the first time in 65 years, we
are a net exporter of energy. After 24 months of rapid progress, our economy
is the envy of the world, our military is the most powerful on earth, and America is winning each and every day. Members of Congress: the State of our Union
is Strong. Our country is vibrant and our economy is
thriving like never before. On Friday, it was announced that we added
another 304,000 jobs last month alone — almost double what was expected. An economic miracle is taking place in the
United States — and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics or
ridiculous partisan investigations. If there is going to be peace and legislation,
there cannot be war and investigation. It just doesn’t work that way! We must be united at home to defeat our adversaries
abroad. This new era of cooperation can start with
finally confirming the more than 300 highly qualified nominees who are still stuck in
the Senate — some after years of waiting. The Senate has failed to act on these nominations,
which is unfair to the nominees and to our country. Now is the time for bipartisan action. Believe it or not, we have already proven
that it is possible. In the last Congress, both parties came together
to pass unprecedented legislation to confront the opioid crisis, a sweeping new Farm Bill,
historic VA reforms, and after four decades of rejection, we passed VA Accountability
so we can finally terminate those who mistreat our wonderful veterans. And just weeks ago, both parties united for
groundbreaking Criminal Justice Reform. Last year, I heard through friends the story
of Alice Johnson. I was deeply moved. In 1997, Alice was sentenced to life in prison
as a first-time non-violent drug offender. Over the next two decades, she became a prison
minister, inspiring others to choose a better path. She had a big impact on that prison population
— and far beyond. Alice’s story underscores the disparities
and unfairness that can exist in criminal sentencing — and the need to remedy this
injustice. She served almost 22 years and had expected
to be in prison for the rest of her life. In June, I commuted Alice’s sentence –when
I saw Alice’s beautiful family greet her at the prison gates, hugging and kissing and
crying and laughing, I knew I did the right thing — Alice is here with us tonight. Alice, thank you for reminding us that we
always have the power to shape our own destiny. Inspired by stories like Alice’s, my administration
worked closely with members of both parties to sign the First Step Act into law. This legislation reformed sentencing laws
that have wrongly and disproportionately harmed the African-American community. The First Step Act gives non-violent offenders
the chance to re-enter society as productive, law-abiding citizens. Now, states across the country are following
our lead. America is a nation that believes in redemption. We are also joined tonight by Matthew Charles
from Tennessee. In 1996, at age 30, Matthew was sentenced
to 35 years for selling drugs and related offenses. Over the next two decades, he completed more
than 30 Bible studies, became a law clerk, and mentored fellow inmates. Now, Matthew is the very first person to be
released from prison under the First Step Act. Matthew, on behalf of All Americans: WELCOME
HOME. Now, Republicans and Democrats must join forces
again to confront an urgent national crisis. Congress has 10 days left to pass a bill that
will fund our government, protect our homeland, and secure our Southern Border. Now is the time for Congress to show the world
that America is committed to ending illegal immigration and putting the ruthless coyotes,
cartels, drug dealers, and human traffickers OUT OF BUSINESS. As we speak, large, organized caravans are
on the march to the United States. We have just heard that Mexican cities, in
order to remove the illegal immigrants from their communities, are getting trucks and
buses to bring them up to our country in areas where there is little border protection. I have ordered another 3,750 troops to our
Southern Border to prepare for the tremendous onslaught. This is a MORAL issue. The lawless state of our Southern Border is
a threat to the safety, security and financial well-being of all Americans. We have a moral duty to create an immigration
system that protects the lives and jobs of our citizens. This includes our obligation to the millions
of immigrants living here today, who followed the rules and respected our laws. LEGAL immigrants enrich our nation and strengthen
our society in countless ways. I want people to come into our country, but
they have to come in legally. Tonight, I am asking you to defend our very
dangerous southern border out of LOVE and DEVOTION to our fellow citizens and to our
country. No issue better illustrates the divide between
America’s WORKING CLASS and America’s POLITICAL CLASS than illegal immigration. Wealthy politicians and donors push for open
borders while living their lives behind walls and gates and guards. Meanwhile, working class Americans are left
to pay the price for mass illegal migration — reduced jobs, lower wages, overburdened
schools and hospitals, increased crime, and a depleted social safety net. Tolerance for illegal immigration is not compassionate
— it is cruel. 1 in 3 women is sexually assaulted on the
long journey north. Smugglers use migrant children as human pawns
to exploit our laws and gain access to our country. Human traffickers and sex traffickers take
advantage of the wide open areas between our ports of entry to smuggle thousands of young
girls and women into the United States and to sell them into prostitution and modern-day
slavery. Tens of thousands of innocent Americans are
killed by lethal drugs that cross our border and flood into our cities — including meth,
heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. The savage gang, MS-13, now operates in at
least 20 different American states, and they almost all come through our Southern Border. Just yesterday, an MS-13 gang member was taken
into custody for a fatal shooting on a subway platform in New York City. We are removing these gang members by the
thousands, but until we secure our border they’re going to keep streaming back in. Year after year, countless Americans are murdered
by criminal illegal aliens. I’ve gotten to know many wonderful Angel
Moms, Dads and families –no one should ever have to suffer the horrible heartache they
have endured. Here tonight is Debra Bissell. Just three weeks ago, Debra’s parents, Gerald
and Sharon, were burglarized and shot to death in their Reno, Nevada home by an illegal alien. They were in their eighties and are survived
by 4 children, 11 grandchildren, and 20 great-grandchildren. Also here tonight are Gerald and Sharon’s
granddaughter, Heather, and great-granddaughter Madison. To Debra, Heather, Madison, please stand:few
can understand your pain. But I will never forget, and I will fight
for the memory of Gerald and Sharon, that it should never happen again. Not one more American life should be lost
because our nation failed to control its very dangerous border. In the last two years, our brave ICE officers
made 266,000 arrests of criminal aliens, including those charged or convicted of nearly 100,000
assaults, 30,000 sex crimes, and 4,000 killings. We are joined tonight by one of those law
enforcement heroes: ICE Special Agent Elvin Hernandez. When Elvin was a boy, he and his family legally
immigrated to the United States from the Dominican Republic. At the age of eight, Elvin told his dad he
wanted to become a Special Agent. Today, he leads investigations into the scourge
of international sex trafficking. Elvin says: “If I can make sure these young
girls get their justice, I’ve done my job.” Thanks to his work and that of his colleagues,
more than 300 women and girls have been rescued from horror and more than 1,500 sadistic traffickers
have been put behind bars. Special Agent Hernandez please stand: We will
ALWAYS support the brave men and women of Law Enforcement –and I pledge to you tonight
that we will NEVER Abolish our heroes from ICE. My administration has sent to Congress a commonsense
proposal to end the crisis on our Southern Border. It includes humanitarian assistance, more
law enforcement, drug detection at our ports, closing loopholes that enable child smuggling,
and plans for a new physical barrier, or wall, to secure the vast areas between our ports
of entry. This is a smart, strategic, see-through steel barrier
— not just a simple concrete wall. It will be deployed in the areas identified
by border agents as having the greatest need, and as these agents will tell you, where walls
go up, illegal crossings go way down. San Diego used to have the most illegal border
crossings in the country. In response, a strong security wall was put
in place. This powerful barrier almost completely ended
illegal crossings. The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to
have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and
considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities. Now, with a powerful barrier in place, El
Paso is one of our safest cities. Simply put, WALLS WORK and WALLS SAVE LIVES. So let’s work together, compromise, and
reach a deal that will truly make America SAFE. As we work to defend our people’s safety,
we must also ensure our economic resurgence continues at a rapid pace. No one has benefitted more from our thriving
economy than women, who have filled 58 percent of the new jobs created in the last year. All Americans can be proud that we have more
women in the workforce than ever before — and exactly one century after Congress passed
the Constitutional Amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have more women
serving in Congress than ever before. As part of our commitment to improving opportunity
for women everywhere, this Thursday we are launching the first ever government-wide initiative
focused on economic empowerment for women in developing countries. To build on our incredible economic success,
one priority is paramount –reversing decades of calamitous trade policies. We are now making it clear to China that after
years of targeting our industries, and stealing our intellectual property, the theft of American
jobs and wealth has come to an end. Therefore, we recently imposed tariffs on
$250 billion dollars of Chinese goods — and now our Treasury is receiving billions of
dollars. But I don’t blame China for taking advantage
of us — I blame our leaders and representatives for allowing this travesty to happen. I have great respect for President Xi, and
we are now working on a new trade deal with China. But it must include real, structural change
to end unfair trade practices, reduce our chronic trade deficit, and protect American
jobs. Another historic trade blunder was the catastrophe
known as NAFTA. I have met the men and women of Michigan,
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, New Hampshire, and many other states whose dreams were shattered
by NAFTA. For years, politicians promised them they
would negotiate for a better deal. But no one ever TRIED — until now. Our new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement — or
USMCA — will replace NAFTA and deliver for American workers: bringing back our manufacturing
jobs, expanding American agriculture, protecting intellectual property, and ensuring that more
cars are proudly stamped with the four beautiful words: MADE IN THE USA. Tonight, I am also asking you to pass the
United States Reciprocal Trade Act, so that if another country places an unfair tariff
on an American product, we can charge them the exact same tariff on the same product
that they sell to us. Both parties should be able to unite for a
great rebuilding of America’s crumbling infrastructure. I know that Congress is eager to pass an infrastructure
bill –and I am eager to work with you on legislation to deliver new and important infrastructure
investment, including investments in the cutting edge industries of the future. This is not an option. This is a necessity. The next major priority for me, and for all
of us, should be to lower the cost of healthcare and prescription drugs — and to protect
patients with pre-existing conditions. Already, as a result of my administration’s
efforts, in 2018 drug prices experienced their single largest decline in 46 years. But we must do more. It is unacceptable that Americans pay vastly
more than people in other countries for the exact same drugs, often made in the exact
same place. This is wrong, unfair, and together we can
stop it. I am asking Congress to pass legislation that
finally takes on the problem of global freeloading and delivers fairness and price transparency
for American Patients. We should also require drug companies, insurance
companies, and hospitals to disclose real prices to foster competition and bring costs
down. No force in history has done more to advance
the human condition than American Freedom. In recent years we have made remarkable progress
in the fight against HIV and AIDS. Scientific breakthroughs have brought a once-distant
dream within reach. My budget will ask Democrats and Republicans
to make the needed commitment to eliminate the HIV epidemic in the United States within
10 years. Together, we will defeat AIDS in America. Tonight I am also asking you to join me in
another fight that all Americans can get behind: the fight against childhood cancer. Joining Melania in the gallery this evening
is a very brave 10 year old girl, Grace Ee-line. Every birthday since she was 4, Grace asked her friends to
donate to St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. She did not know that one day she might be
a patient herself. Last year, Grace was diagnosed with brain
cancer. Immediately, she began radiation treatment. At the same time, she rallied her community
and raised more than $40,000 dollars for the fight against cancer. When Grace completed treatment last fall,
her doctors and nurses cheered with tears in their eyes as she hung up a poster that
read: “Last day of Keemo.” Grace — you are an inspiration to us all. Many childhood cancers have not seen new therapies
in decades. My budget will ask Congress for $500 million
dollars over the next 10 years to fund this critical life-saving research. To help support working parents, the time
has come to pass SCHOOL CHOICE for America’s children. I am also proud to be the first President
to include in my budget a plan for nationwide paid family leave — so that every new parent
has the chance to bond with their newborn child. There could be no greater contrast to the
beautiful image of a mother holding her infant child than the chilling displays our nation
saw in recent days. Lawmakers in New York cheered with delight
upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s
womb moments before birth. These are living, feeling, beautiful, babies
who will never get the chance to share their love and dreams with the world. And then, we had the case of the Governor
of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth. To defend the dignity of every person, I am
asking Congress to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children who can
feel pain in the mother’s womb. Let us work together to build a culture that
cherishes innocent life. And let us reaffirm a fundamental truth: all
children — born and unborn — are made in the holy image of God. The final part of my agenda is to protect
America’s National Security. Over the last two years, we have begun to
fully rebuild the United States Military –with $700 billion dollars last year and $716 billion
dollars this year. We are also getting other nations to pay their
fair share. For years, the United States was being treated
very unfairly by NATO — but now we have secured a $100 billion dollar increase in
defense spending from NATO allies. As part of our military build-up, the United
States is developing a state-of-the-art Missile Defense System. Under my Administration, we will never apologize
for advancing America’s interests. For example, decades ago the United States
entered into a treaty with Russia in which we agreed to limit and reduce our missile
capabilities. While we followed the agreement to the letter,
Russia repeatedly violated its terms. That is why I announced that the United States
is officially withdrawing from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, or INF Treaty. Perhaps we can negotiate a different agreement, adding
China and others, or perhaps we can’t –in which case, we will outspend and out-innovate
all others by far. As part of a bold new diplomacy, we continue
our historic push for peace on the Korean Peninsula. Our hostages have come home, nuclear testing
has stopped, and there has not been a missile launch in 15 months. If I had not been elected President of the
United States, we would right now, in my opinion, be in a major war with North Korea. Much work remains to be done, but my relationship
with Kim Jong Un is a good one. Chairman Kim and I will meet again on February
27 and 28 in Vietnam. Two weeks ago, the United States officially
recognized the legitimate government of Venezuela, and its new interim President, Juan Gwydo. We stand with the Venezuelan people in their
noble quest for freedom — and we condemn the brutality of the Maduro regime, whose
socialist policies have turned that nation from being the wealthiest in South America
into a state of abject poverty and despair. Here, in the United States, we are alarmed
by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence
— not government coercion, domination and control. We are BORN FREE, and we will STAY FREE. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America
will NEVER be a socialist country. One of the most complex set of challenges
we face is in the Middle East. Our approach is based on principled realism
— not discredited theories that have failed for decades to yield progress. For this reason, my Administration recognized
the TRUE capital of Israel — and proudly opened the American Embassy in Jerusalem. Our brave troops have now been fighting in
the Middle East for almost 19 years. In Afghanistan and Iraq, nearly 7,000 American
Heroes have given their lives. More than 52,000 Americans have been badly
wounded. We have spent more than $7 trillion dollars
in the Middle East. As a candidate for President, I pledged a
new approach. Great nations do not fight endless wars. When I took office, ISIS controlled more than
20,000 square miles in Iraq and Syria. Today, we have liberated virtually all of
that territory from the grip of these bloodthirsty killers. Now, as we work with our allies to destroy
the remnants of ISIS, it is time to give our brave warriors in Syria a warm welcome home. I have also accelerated our negotiations to
reach a political settlement in Afghanistan. Our troops have fought with unmatched valor
— and thanks to their bravery, we are now able to pursue a political solution to this
long and bloody conflict. In Afghanistan, my Administration is holding
constructive talks with a number of Afghan groups, including the Taliban. As we make progress in these negotiations,
we will be able to reduce our troop presence and focus on counter-terrorism. We do not know whether we will achieve an
agreement — but we do know that after two decades of war, the hour has come to at least
try for PEACE. Above all, friend and foe alike must never
doubt this nation’s power and will to defend our people. 18 years ago, terrorists attacked the USS
Cole — and last month American Forces killed one of the leaders of the attack. We are honored to be joined tonight by Tom
Wibberley, whose son, Navy Seaman Craig Wibberley, was one of the 17 sailors we tragically lost. Tom: we vow to always remember the heroes
of the USS Cole. My administration has acted decisively to
confront the world’s leading state sponsor of terror: the radical regime in Iran. To ensure this corrupt dictatorship never
acquires nuclear weapons, I withdrew the United States from the disastrous Iran nuclear deal. And last fall, we put in place the toughest
sanctions ever imposed on a country. We will not avert our eyes from a regime that
chants Death to America and threatens genocide against the Jewish People. We must never ignore the vile poison of Anti-Semitism,
or those who spread its venomous creed. With one voice, we must confront this hatred
anywhere and everywhere it occurs. Just months ago, 11 Jewish-Americans were
viciously murdered in an Anti-Semitic attack on the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. SWAT Officer Timothy Matson raced into the
gunfire and was shot seven times chasing down the killer. Timothy has just had his 12th surgery — but
he made the trip to be here with us tonight. Officer Matson: we are forever grateful for
your courage in the face of evil. Tonight we are also joined by Pittsburgh survivor
Judah Samet. He arrived at the synagogue as the massacre
began. But not only did Judah narrowly escape death
last fall — more than 7 decades ago, he narrowly survived the Nazi concentration camps. Today is Judah’s 81st birthday. Judah says he can still remember the exact
moment, nearly 75 years ago, after 10 months in a concentration camp, when he and his family
were put on a train, and told they were going to another camp. Suddenly the train screeched to a halt. A soldier appeared. Judah’s family braced for the worst. Then, his father cried out with joy: “It’s
the AMERICANS.” A second Holocaust survivor who is here tonight,
Joshua Kaufman, was a prisoner at Dachau Concentration Camp. He remembers watching through a hole in the
wall of a cattle car as American soldiers rolled in with tanks. “To me,” Joshua recalls, “the American
soldiers were proof that God exists, and they came down from the sky.” I began this evening by honoring three soldiers
who fought on D-Day in the Second World War. One of them was Herman Zeitchick. But there is more to Herman’s story. A year after he stormed the Beaches of Normandy,
Herman was one of those American Soldiers who helped liberate Dachau. He was one of the Americans who helped rescue
Joshua from that hell on earth. Almost 75 years later, Herman and Joshua are
both together in the gallery tonight –seated side-by-side, here in the home of American
Freedom. Herman and Joshua: your presence this evening
honors and uplifts our entire nation. When American soldiers set out beneath the
dark skies over the English Channel in the early hours of D-Day, 1944, they were just
young men of 18 and 19, hurtling on fragile landing craft toward the most momentous battle
in the history of war. They did not know if they would survive the
hour. They did not know if they would grow old. But they knew that America had to prevail. Their cause was this nation, and generations
yet unborn. Why did they do it? They did it for AMERICA — they did it for
us. Everything that has come since –our triumph
over communism, our giant leaps of science and discovery, our unrivaled progress toward
equality and justice — ALL of it is possible thanks to the blood and tears and courage
and vision of the Americans who came before. Think of this Capitol –think of this very
Chamber, where lawmakers before you voted to end slavery, to build the railroads and
the highways, to defeat fascism, to secure Civil Rights, to face down an evil empire. Here tonight we have legislators from across
this magnificent Republic. You have come from the rocky shores of Maine
and the volcanic peaks of Hawaii; from the snowy woods of Wisconsin and the red deserts
of Arizona; from the green farms of Kentucky and the golden beaches of California. Together, we represent the most extraordinary
nation in all of history. What will we do with this moment? How will we be remembered? I ask the men and women of this Congress:
Look at the opportunities before us! Our most thrilling achievements are still
ahead. Our most exciting journeys still await. Our biggest victories are still to come. We have not yet BEGUN TO DREAM. We must choose whether we are defined by our
differences — or whether we dare to transcend them. We must choose whether we squander our inheritance
— or whether we proudly declare that WE ARE AMERICANS:
We do the incredible. We defy the impossible. We conquer the unknown. This is the time to re-ignite the American
Imagination. This is the time to search for the tallest
summit, and set our sights on the brightest star. This is the time to rekindle the bonds of
love and loyalty and memory that link us together as citizens, as neighbors, as patriots. This is our future –our fate — and our
choice to make. I am asking you to CHOOSE GREATNESS. No matter the trials we face, no matter the
challenges to come, we must go forward together. We must keep America FIRST in our hearts. We must keep Freedom alive in our souls. And we must always keep FAITH in America’s
Destiny –that One Nation, Under God, must be the HOPE and the PROMISE and the LIGHT
and the GLORY among all the nations of the world! Thank you. God Bless You, God Bless America, and Goodnight! (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) DONALD TRUMP: Thank you. JUDY WOODRUFF: And that concludes President
Trump’s second State of the Union address. Coming up in a few minutes will be the Democrats’
response. That will be delivered by Stacey Abrams, who
lost last November to Republican Brian Kemp in a tight contest for governor of Georgia. You can see the president applauding, as he
is applauded by members of Congress, as he is there in the chamber of the House of Representatives
with all the members of the House and the Senate, his Cabinet, members of the Supreme
Court. This has been an hour-and-a-half-long speech. The president touched on themes from unifying
the two parties, pleading with Democrats to work with him on his immigration and border
security proposal, deploring abortion, loosening abortion rights measures, and on a number
of foreign policy issues. It crossed the spectrum. And there was a good — a good amount of this
speech was devoted to celebrating heroes in the audience from World War II Holocaust survivors,
to a young girl who has fought back brain cancer. I am joined here in the studio by Mark Shields,
Amy Walter, Peter Wehner, Karine Jean-Pierre, and Chris Buskirk. And I want to — Mark, I want to turn to you
first. This is a president who spent so much of this
speech pleading with Democrats to work with him across the aisle, pleading for unity,
and yet we are coming off one of the most divided periods in recent history. MARK SHIELDS: Yes. Judy, it is fascinating to me. As I listened to the speech, he devoted three
pages of the speech to the economy. And he has got a marvelous economic story
to tell, and he never talks about it. I mean, he very rarely brings it up. And he did tonight. And I think he is on strong ground when he
does it. The rest of it, when he said, this is not
— he opened it up by saying, this is not a two-party — it’s not — I don’t want a
Republican or Democrat response. Any time we use Democrat as an adjective,
it sends up the hairs on the back of every Democrat’s neck. The word is Democratic. That’s an adjective. Democrat is a dismissive, pejorative word. And, you know, so, if you are offering an
olive branch, that isn’t the way to begin. It was a long speech. He delivers the speech better than he has
in the past, but I just thought it was conspicuously unmemorable. JUDY WOODRUFF: Peter Wehner? PETER WEHNER: I will say a couple of things. Just from the craft of a speech, it was very
bad. It was banal. It was undisciplined. It was windy. And it was tossed together. It didn’t have the sense that there was somebody
in control of the speech. You know, the teleprompter is not a friend
of Donald Trump, and he proved that tonight. And this is a — this is a man who is more
or less allergic to eloquence. And he showed that again tonight. So, in that respect, I thought it was a bad
speech. I thought it was — contrary to what his aides
said, it wasn’t a speech of unity. It was at its core a speech for the base. He gave — devoted one sentence to education. And he must have gone on 15 minutes on illegal
immigration. So that was his target audience. The last thing on this immigration issue,
that argument and his entire case is built on a fiction. And the fiction is that this is an unprecedented
crisis. You can be in favor of border security, but
illegal border apprehensions are at their lowest point since 1971. And yet he speaks as if this is the great
crisis facing America. And it is not. JUDY WOODRUFF: Amy Walter, what did you make
of the speech? AMY WALTER: Yes. This sounded a lot more to me like a 2020
convention speech at the RNC than a State of the Union speech. You made a point, Judy, saying he was pleading
with Democrats. I really didn’t hear pleading. I heard him saying, as he has pretty much
for the entirety of the time that Democrats have been in control of Congress, that, this
is the way that I want it to be. Here are the problems on the border. He has made the same case over and over again
on border security and what he wants for the wall. There wasn’t a sense, we are going to compromise,
we are going to find common ground, and really no answer to the question of, what happens
in 10 days from now to the government workers who are sitting there wondering, if there
is no agreement, what happens to us? JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to turn to our correspondent
at the Capitol, Lisa Desjardins, and Yamiche Alcindor, who is at the White House. Lisa, the members had some sense of what the
president was going to say tonight, but they didn’t know — they certainly didn’t know
all the detail. Are you able to a pick up from any of them
in these last few minutes how they — how they read this? LISA DESJARDINS: Yes. I am looking off to my right here with the
House chamber just about 100 feet away, Judy, and I see members just starting to come out
now. So we haven’t had a chance to talk to them
yet. And I have been e-mailing with my sources. I think some things that they will be thinking
about — this is a tough speech in a way for members to react to, because I counted myself
29 different topics. That’s not just words he mentioned, but topics
that he spoke about in multiple sentences. That’s lot to react to. On the one hand, he did reach out in bipartisan
ways on some issues. On the other hand, on the issue of border
security, he tried to make that a class issue, and say that Democrats were against the working
class in their stance for illegal immigrants. I think that is something we are going to
see Democrats react strongly to, as well as the abortion language that the president had. I would expect a statement from Virginia’s
governor, Ralph Northam, who was specifically singled out for, I think, direct attack from
the president. But, Judy, I will let you know. We are waiting for the members to come out
now. As you saw, the applause was scattered, sometimes
bipartisan. Sometimes, we saw even the president’s most
adamant opponents stand up for his statements. Other times, it was clearly a partisan room. JUDY WOODRUFF: Very quickly to Yamiche Alcindor
at the White House. We have got about three-and-a-half minutes
before we hear from Stacey Abrams with the Democratic response. Yamiche, the president went into this knowing
that he is working with a Democratic majority in the House. That had to enter into the calculus of what
he had to say. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Well, the White House said
that this was supposed to be a speech about unity and a speech about bringing the country
together. But the president made clear that he doesn’t
want a compromise and that he still wants a border to be built — and a border wall
to be built. The president also used some misleading language. He talked about the fact that border walls
in San Diego and El Paso led to a decrease in crime and a decrease in illegal immigration. What we know for a fact, actually, is that
there has been no new wall built and that there has been some fixes to existing fences
that were passed by prior administrations. The president also was talking about the idea
that border walls would somehow stop the flow of illegal drugs coming into the country. What we know is that most drugs come through
legal ports of entry. The president did, however, talk about the
low unemployment rate for African-Americans. That is true. The employment rates are very low. He also talked about NATO and getting NATO
to have more defense spending. That is true. The president pushed that body to spend more
on defense spending and to have the countries around him spend more on defense spending. The president in some ways had a touching
moment. He talked about a cancer survivor that he
brought as a guest, and he also talked about Alice Johnson, who he freed from prison. Those were moments where you could see unity. But I think the most telling moment, for me
as a reporter watching this, was when the president said, the state of our union is
strong, Mike Pence clapped, Republicans started chanting, “USA, USA,” but Nancy Pelosi sat
in her seat. And what you — what that tells is that we
can believe our eyes. The state of our union is divided. And we have a president who, as much as he
wants to talk a about the border wall and border security, he also is someone who is
still using misleading statements and still not telling the entire truth in a speech that
was, as you noted, an hour-and-a-half long. JUDY WOODRUFF: And to Robert Costa joining
us now, Washington Post reporter Robert Costa, who is, of course, the moderator of PBS’ “Washington
Week.” Robert, I saw you tweeting during the speech
about the president going back to basics when it came to immigration and the border wall. ROBERT COSTA: A dark, defiant speech that
has echoes of what he said, American carnage, at his inauguration, echoes of what he said
in 2015 when he entered the presidential race. His message on illegal immigration was one
of trying to say to the Republican Party, stick with me, taking this hard line, trying
to build a border wall. This is a president staring divided government
in the face and saying, I will not change. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Robert, it’s — there
is a contradiction there, because the White House all day today and up — leading up until
this saying the president was going to be reaching out, trying to show that he was prepared
to work with Democrats. ROBERT COSTA: That was the White House message,
but then there was the actual message in this speech. It began with overtures to the Democrats,
mentions of Buzz Aldrin, chants of “USA, USA,” then that turn toward immigration, the turn
toward talk of mass illegal immigration at the border, of crime. This is who President Trump was reaching out
to, the Republican voter who he wants to stand by him through this turbulent year ahead,
with Robert Mueller’s investigation looming and so much else. JUDY WOODRUFF: All right, Robert Costa with
“Washington Week in Review” and also with The Washington Post. And now the Democratic response. It’s being delivered tonight by Stacey Abrams,
who lost a close race for governor in Georgia. STACEY ABRAMS (D), Former Georgia Gubernatorial
Candidate: Good evening, my fellow Americans. And happy lunar new year. I’m Stacey Abrams, and I am honored to join
the conversation about the state of our union. Growing up, my family went back and forth
between lower middle class and working poor. Yet, even when they came home weary and bone-tired,
my parents found a way to show us all who we could be. My librarian mother taught us to love learning. My father, a shipyard worker, put in overtime
and extra shifts; and they made sure we volunteered to help others. Later, they both became United Methodist ministers,
an expression of the faith that guides us. These were our family values – faith, service,
education and responsibility. Now, we only had one car, so sometimes my
dad had to hitchhike and walk long stretches during the 30 mile trip home from the shipyards. One rainy night, Mom got worried. We piled in the car and went out looking for
him – and eventually found Dad making his way along the road, soaked and shivering in
his shirtsleeves. When he got in the car, Mom asked if he’d
left his coat at work. He explained he’d given it to a homeless
man he’d met on the highway. When we asked why he’d given away his only
jacket, Dad turned to us and said, “I knew when I left that man, he’d still be alone. But I could give him my coat, because I knew
you were coming for me.” Our power and strength as Americans lives
in our hard work and our belief in more. My family understood firsthand that while
success is not guaranteed, we live in a nation where opportunity is possible. But we do not succeed alone – in these United
States, when times are tough, we can persevere because our friends and neighbors will come
for us. Our first responders will come for us. It is this mantra – this uncommon grace
of community – that has driven me to become an attorney, a small business owner, a writer,
and most recently, the Democratic nominee for Governor of Georgia. My reason for running for governor was simple:
I love our country and its promise of opportunity for all, and I stand here tonight because
I hold fast to my father’s credo – together, we are coming for America, for a better America. Just a few weeks ago, I joined volunteers
to distribute meals to furloughed federal workers. They waited in line for a box of food and
a sliver of hope since they hadn’t received a paycheck in weeks. Making their livelihoods a pawn for political
games is a disgrace. The shutdown was a stunt engineered by the
President of the United States, one that defied every tenet of fairness and abandoned not
just our people – but our values. For seven years, I led the Democratic Party
in the Georgia House of Representatives. I didn’t always agree with the Republican
Speaker or Governor, but I understood that our constituents didn’t care about our political
parties – they cared about their lives. So, when we had to negotiate criminal justice
reform or transportation or foster care improvements, the leaders of our state didn’t shut down
– we came together. And we kept our word. It should be no different in our nation’s
capital. We may come from different sides of the political
aisle; but, our joint commitment to the ideals of this nation cannot be negotiable. Our most urgent work is to realize Americans’
dreams of today and tomorrow. To carve a path to independence and prosperity
that can last a lifetime. Children deserve an excellent education from
cradle to career. We owe them safe schools and the highest standards,
regardless of zip code. Yet this White House responds timidly while
first graders practice active shooter drills and the price of higher education grows ever
steeper. From now on, our leaders must be willing to
tackle gun safety measures and the crippling effect of educational loans; to support educators
and invest what is necessary to unleash the power of America’s greatest minds. In Georgia and around the country, people
are striving for a middle class where a salary truly equals economic security. But instead, families’ hopes are being crushed
by Republican leadership that ignores real life or just doesn’t understand it. Under the current administration, far too
many hard-working Americans are falling behind, living paycheck to paycheck, most without
labor unions to protect them from even worse harm. The Republican tax bill rigged the system
against working people. Rather than bringing back jobs, plants are
closing, layoffs are looming and wages struggle to keep pace with the actual cost of living. We owe more to the millions of everyday folks
who keep our economy running: like truck drivers forced to buy their own rigs, farmers caught
in a trade war, small business owners in search of capital, and domestic workers serving without
labor protections. Women and men who could thrive if only they
had the support and freedom to do so. We know bi-partisanship could craft a 21st
century immigration plan, but this administration chooses to cage children and tear families
apart. Compassionate treatment at the border is not
the same as open borders. President Reagan understood this. President Obama understood this. Americans understand this. And Democrats stand ready to effectively secure
our ports and borders. But we must all embrace that from agriculture
to healthcare to entrepreneurship, America is made stronger by the presence of immigrants
– not walls. Rather than suing to dismantle the Affordable
Care Act, as Republican Attorneys General have, our leaders must protect the progress
we’ve made and commit to expanding health care and lowering costs for everyone. My father has battled prostate cancer for
years. To help cover the costs, I found myself sinking
deeper into debt — because while you can defer some payments, you can’t defer cancer
treatment. In this great nation, Americans are skipping
blood pressure pills, forced to choose between buying medicine or paying rent. Maternal mortality rates show that mothers,
especially black mothers, risk death to give birth. And in 14 states, including my home state
where a majority want it, our leaders refuse to expand Medicaid, which could save rural
hospitals, economies, and lives. We can do so much more: Take action on climate
change. Defend individual liberties with fair-minded
judges. But none of these ambitions are possible without
the bedrock guarantee of our right to vote. Let’s be clear: voter suppression is real. From making it harder to register and stay
on the rolls to moving and closing polling places to rejecting lawful ballots, we can
no longer ignore these threats to democracy. While I acknowledged the results of the 2018
election here in Georgia – I did not and we cannot accept efforts to undermine our
right to vote. That’s why I started a nonpartisan organization
called Fair Fight to advocate for voting rights. This is the next battle for our democracy,
one where all eligible citizens can have their say about the vision we want for our country. We must reject the cynicism that says allowing
every eligible vote to be cast and counted is a “power grab.” Americans understand that these are the values
our brave men and women in uniform and our veterans risk their lives to defend. The foundation of our moral leadership around
the globe is free and fair elections, where voters pick their leaders – not where politicians
pick their voters. In this time of division and crisis, we must
come together and stand for, and with, one another. America has stumbled time and again on its
quest towards justice and equality; but with each generation, we have revisited our fundamental
truths, and where we falter, we make amends. We fought Jim Crow with the Civil Rights Act
and the Voting Rights Act, yet we continue to confront racism from our past and in our
present – which is why we must hold everyone from the very highest offices to our own families
accountable for racist words and deeds – and call racism what it is. Wrong. America achieved a measure of reproductive
justice in Roe v. Wade, but we must never forget it is immoral to allow politicians
to harm women and families to advance a political agenda. We affirmed marriage equality, and yet, the
LGBTQ community remains under attack. So even as I am very disappointed by the President’s
approach to our problems – I still don’t want him to fail. But we need him to tell the truth, and to
respect his duties and the extraordinary diversity that defines America. Our progress has always found refuge in the
basic instinct of the American experiment – to do right by our people. And with a renewed commitment to social and
economic justice, we will create a stronger America, together. Because America wins by fighting for our shared
values against all enemies: foreign and domestic. That is who we are – and when we do so,
never wavering – the state of our union will always be strong. Thank you, and may God bless the United States
of America. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) JUDY WOODRUFF: And that was Stacey Abrams
delivering the Democrats’ response to the president’s State of the Union address. Still with us at the “NewsHour” table, Mark
Shields, Amy Walter, Peter Wehner, Karine Jean-Pierre, and Chris Buskirk. Karine, remarkable in — on a number of counts,
I mean in contrast to the president. You have a woman of color delivering the Democratic
response and you have someone who lost a race, who doesn’t hold office right now. I believe that is a first… KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, Democratic Strategist:
It is a first. JUDY WOODRUFF: … to have someone not holding
office making the Democratic response. She went to her family. She talked about her father. And she laid it on the line in terms of what
this administration has done in terms of health care, immigration, and the shutdown. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, you said it perfectly,
Judy. That is exactly right. She is the first black woman to give a response. Look, giving a response is very difficult. It is not easy to do. Many have failed. And I believe she nailed it tonight. It was a complete opposite of contrast to
what we just heard from Donald Trump moments ago, a speech at a State of the Union that
you would never hear being given by a president of the United States. Her speech was powerful. It was optimistic. It was talking about bringing people together,
and it wasn’t going down in the mud with Donald Trump, which is something that Democrats shouldn’t
do. It should be about a vision of how we are
going to move America forward. And that’s what we heard from her. And another thing that you just said, Judy,
that I really agree with you on is, having a woman of color respond to Donald Trump,
that alone is such a powerful statement, especially from all the hateful rhetoric that we hear
from this president and we have heard from this president these last two years. JUDY WOODRUFF: Chris Buskirk, what did you
take away from Stacey Abrams? CHRIS BUSKIRK, AmericanGreatness.org: I thought
two things, style and substance. I thought she was a really interesting choice
to do the rebuttal. I was sort of expecting before she was announced
maybe somebody like a Kamala Harris or something like that. And then the political context struck me. And I thought, there are so many Democrats,
Kamala Harris being one of them, running for president, they almost had to go with somebody
who wasn’t in office. And so there is this backdrop which I keep
thinking about. How does this whole night play into 2020,
both for the president, also for Democrats, who obviously will be seeking the presidency? And so that is sort of the style, the political
part of it. On the substance, I thought it was — you
know, it was very up in the air. You know, it was very, a lot of — a lot of
sort of glib talk about, you know, the shirt off my back and this sort of thing. Great. I mean, those things sound good. But then you have to sort of come up with
policies to put behind that. You know, there is the rhetoric, and then
there is the action. And so I — it just struck me what we have
seen over the past 15, 20 years is that the Democratic — Democratic Party. MARK SHIELDS: Thank you, Chris. CHRIS BUSKIRK: I got the adjective. (CROSSTALK) CHRIS BUSKIRK: The Democratic Party has become
the party of the rich. Since 2008, the majority of voters with over
$200,000 of income have gone Democratic. And that doesn’t jibe well with the rhetoric. And that was — I think there is this battle
for the middle class. We saw it in Trump’s speech, trying to explain
what his vision is for the middle class and for the working class, and how that ties to
things like immigration and trade. And then you saw Stacey Abrams trying to claim
that same mantle for the Democratic Party. And that’s where the battle is going to be
fought. JUDY WOODRUFF: Is that what you heard, Mark
Shields? MARK SHIELDS: Yes, I mean, Stacey Abrams didn’t
try to answer Donald Trump. She gave basically a Democratic speech, her
Democratic speech, or sort of her signature speech. And, you know, it is an impossible assignment
for anybody. And if we wanted to list on one hand the memorable
ones, I think, you know, we, unfortunately, remember the unfortunate, the Marco Rubio
striving for the water, you know, whatever else. Jim Webb, I think, probably gave the only
good one I can remember. That was 15 — or 13 years ago. But she — no, she was good. And I think Chris is right. It was a way of avoiding a family argument. I mean, you choose her, she — you stay out
of the presidential. You are not showing favoritism. And, certainly, I mean, she emerged from that
race in Georgia with a surprising strength, surprising — I will just say one with thing. What Trump tried to do in his speech was,
he tried to recreate the Reagan mystique. Ronald Reagan could talk about America and
its values by talking about World War II and D-Day. He had a great gift for that. It doesn’t ring true with Donald Trump, because
he never has talked about it before. That has never has been a part of his basic
composition or just in his knowledge. And I thought, you know, the idea that an
American first, which is what his foreign policy is, the irony is, he is praising World
War II and America’s involvement in it, when his predecessors in that movement, America
first, did everything they could to stay out of World War II. So, I mean, it is sort of an interesting bookend
philosophically, if contradictory. JUDY WOODRUFF: It was striking that Stacey
Abrams was the one who cited President Reagan. MARK SHIELDS: That’s right. No, exactly. Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: She talked about understanding
that compassionate treatment at the border is not the same as open borders. MARK SHIELDS: Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: Put Stacey Abrams in context,
Peter Wehner, with what the president had to say. PETER WEHNER: Well, as everybody said, it
is very, very hard to give a response to the State of the Union. I thought that she carried it off pretty well. You have some people who have crashed and
burned in these kind of things. Nobody has ever given a response to a State
of the Union that has been really deeply memorable. And this one won’t be either. It was — it was probably a good choice for
the Democrats to make, for the reasons that Chris said. I thought she was relitigating to some extent
her loss in Georgia. She spent a fair amount on the right to vote. That is an important issue. But when you have seven minutes to give a
national response, I think I probably would have advised going in a different direction. It was culture, leaning toward culture, as
opposed to economic growth. And it wasn’t a hugely uplifting vision, but
it was fine. I will say that, a week from now, both speeches,
I think, will be forgotten. JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you think the overriding
message… KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: But the contrast… (CROSSTALK) AMY WALTER: The contrast will be important. I think Chris made a good point, too. It’s — you know, we get into 2020, the battle
is, who best represents the middle class? The middle-class people, who do you think
is looking out for them, the Republican or the Democrat? And also this fight that we are going to see
in 2020 reflects what Mark was talking about, the president, really a nostalgia for the
way things were and celebrating things of the past, vs. Stacey Abrams, what she represents,
both her age, her gender, and her race, sort of future-looking, we are going to have somebody
that looks different, sounds different, comes from so many different places to be in a leadership
position. So those will be at a contrast. I think she also basically hit every note
of the sort of grievances of Democrats for the last two years, children in cages, you
have to call racism out, the president needs to tell the truth, being able to get every
one of those — this was sort of this trying to be above, right, above politics, we are
going to be the party that doesn’t get down in the muck, but then got a chance to just
get some of those digs just right in there. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, a little bit. JUDY WOODRUFF: Yes. Well, we are — just a couple of minutes more
before we take a short break. But I just want to quickly say to Karine,
I thought from — cosmetically, I think they needed more light there. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: You said that at the beginning. You said, it’s so dark. (LAUGHTER) JUDY WOODRUFF: It was dark. And I think, when you give the Democratic
nuance, it is often in an unfortunate location. It is someplace. It’s not the chamber of the House. And you can’t see. And you are focused on trying to see and hear
sometimes. And they do reach for water sometimes. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes. JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we are going to be back
after the turn of the hour. But we know that some stations will be cutting
away. We are coming up on 11:00 Eastern, 8:00 p.m.
Pacific time. And as our coverage of the State of the Union
continues, we are going to give some PBS stations the opportunity to resume their regular programming. But for those stations staying with us and
for those of you watching online, don’t go anywhere. We will be right back. Mark Shields, Peter Wehner, Chris Buskirk,
Amy Walter, and Karine Jean-Pierre, thank you. (BREAK) JUDY WOODRUFF: And welcome back to special
“PBS NewsHour” coverage of the State of the Union address tonight and the Democratic response. I’m Judy Woodruff. And let’s pick up the conversation where we
left off, with Lisa Desjardins. She is at the Capitol, where she has been
following reaction to the president’s speech. And Yamiche Alcindor, who is at the White
House. Lisa, I am going to come to you, because you
were looking for some members to try to get their reaction. Were you able to talk to any? LISA DESJARDINS: Right. I was able to speak to a wide group of members,
everyone from the top Republican in the House, Kevin McCarthy, to one of the freshman Democrats. Your panel will be shocked. There are differing views on how the president
did tonight. (LAUGHTER) LISA DESJARDINS: Kevin McCarthy, someone who’s
seen as one of the closest allies of the president, so I wanted to make sure and talk to him. He said he thought the president did very
well and that, in his words, surpassed Democratic expectations. He said he thought the president reached out
to Democrats more than he or Democrats would have expected. When I brought up the areas that Democrats
felt were attacks, he said he felt they were justified. When you talk to Democrats, like Colin Allred
of Texas, a freshman member, he said he wanted to look for points of agreement. When the president brought up specifically
his tone and words on immigration, Colin Allred being from a border state, he found that was
a problem. He said he went too far and it got too partisan. And he also, interesting, Judy, said, as a
freshman, he didn’t expect to have such a feeling when he walked into that chamber that
he didn’t just represent himself, but that every time he stood up, he was standing up
for his entire district. He said he felt that heavily on his shoulders. JUDY WOODRUFF: It’s interesting, Lisa. Mark Shields just handed me a note saying
that he thought, for the most part, the freshman members behaved themselves, that they didn’t
get out of control. How did you read that? I mean, I am sure you were watching, too,
their reaction. They did stand. I mean, the women were standing, freshmen
and others, when the president talked about more women being employed today than ever. LISA DESJARDINS: Right. That was one of the more delightful and surprising
moments of the night, I think. But Mark Shields is on to something, not for
the first time . That was intentional, Judy. This freshman class has been very strategic. They are aggressive and assertive. They are activists mostly, but they are being
very careful about when they choose their moments. And they are — they want to be seen as dignified
and serious. They do not want to be seen as a class that
is going to knee-jerk react to everything. And I think you saw that in the speech tonight. I think we will see in their Twitter feeds
probably more of their emotional reaction that they chose not to display as much on
the House floor. JUDY WOODRUFF: I know that Speaker Pelosi
said earlier today, when I was one of a group of reporters talking to her, she said that
she didn’t think she would need to signal to her members to — quote, unquote — “behave
or stay calm.” But there was a point during tonight’s State
of the Union when it looked like she was gesturing. I am not sure. I don’t know whether you saw that. LISA DESJARDINS: No, I did see, but with the
Republicans — we are thinking of different moments, perhaps. I saw her gesturing toward the Republican
side when the president said something to the effect of… JUDY WOODRUFF: Ah. LISA DESJARDINS: … if I had not — if I
wasn’t president, I think we would be in a major war with North Korea. JUDY WOODRUFF: Ah. LISA DESJARDINS: And there was some applause. I saw Speaker Pelosi look over askance and
try to see who was clapping at that line about major war. I missed any other moment like that. So, I don’t know if that is the same one. (CROSSTALK) JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, that line certainly got
a reaction. I want to turn to Yamiche at the White House. Yamiche, they had to take into consideration
that this is a very different Congress the president was talking to tonight than the
one he has been dealing with for the last two years. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: I think the president took
that into consideration. And that is why you saw the president do that
shout-out and say there are a record number of women serving in Congress. He didn’t talk about the fact that the record
number of women are serving on the Democratic side, and wearing all white to make sure that
that is visually very shown. But the president here was in some ways still
having — trying to have this tone of unification, while I still think not compromising. The president wanted to make it clear that
he wants his wall. He said, walls save lives. But he did talk about health care. And he talked about it in a long way, much
like he did with immigration. He spent some time really talking about the
cost of health care and how he wanted to eliminate the transmission of HIV/AIDS. I also want to point out something that he
said about cancer research. He said: “My budget will ask Congress for
$500 million over the next 10 years to fund this critical lifesaving research.” Now, it is important to point out that, while
the president — that is going to be about $50 million a year if it is spread out evenly
over 10 years — that is a fraction of the total budget. It is about 0.001 percent. And in — now, in President Obama’s last State
of the Union, he talked about cancer research funds as well. By 2023, the budget estimate for the program
that was started by President Obama would be $1.8 billion. So, what you have there is just really a comparison
of President Trump and President Obama. But I think there are a lot of Democrats who
stood up and clapped when they heard the president talk about health care. But, of course, they also were I think very
— were very dismayed when he pointed out the idea that immigrants and people — and
people that come to this country and are undocumented are somehow adding to the criminalization
of America. JUDY WOODRUFF: It is so important to get this
context and to get these comparative numbers, Yamiche. I mean, I certainly appreciate it. I know our audience appreciates the fact that
you and our crack team of researchers here have been looking at this, looking at what
the president is saying, trying to understand what the context is, because it may be that
a number is accurate, but when you put it in context and you compare it with what has
been done in the past, it can take on a different — a different cast. I want to also bring in Robert Costa, moderator
of PBS’ “Washington Week” and, of course, a reporter at The Washington Post. Robert, you had been telling us earlier in
the hour that this is President Trump going back to who he is and what he fundamentally
believes. But there was this reaching out to Democrats
tonight to say, you have a choice, you can work with me or not. You know, it is a chance to make a difference. Why do you think they did that? ROBERT COSTA: The president believes that
he can try to maybe work with Democrats down the line, but more important to him, based
on my conversations with White House officials, is solidifying that Republican base, reassuring
them on immigration, that that signature campaign promise, the border wall, in some way is going
to be pursued. That is the president’s aim. He believes that base will sustain him through
all the political winds that are likely to come this year. Is there a chance the Democrats could work
with the president on something like prescription drugs or infrastructure? Sure. But this is a White House, from acting Chief
of Staff Mulvaney, to the Cabinet, to the president himself, who are not pursuing those
things, those bipartisan aims in the same aggressive way. JUDY WOODRUFF: But those numbers, we know,
the base numbers, don’t add up to 51 percent. So that has to be a part of the calculus as
well. ROBERT COSTA: Well, that is exactly right. But this is a White House right now that is
looking more at Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland, looking at former Massachusetts Governor Bill
Weld. And they see a possible primary challenge
on the horizon, if those Republican numbers in various polls start to slip. And they want to prevent that from happening. The White House has urged its political allies
to take action at the party level to try to stave off a primary challenge. You are right. In the general election, his numbers are weak
among every poll. At the same time, this is a White House that
says, we have to stop a primary first. JUDY WOODRUFF: Yes, fascinating. We are all thinking ahead. We’re trying not to think ahead to 2020, but
we are thinking ahead to 2020. But you are absolutely right, Robert, in that
the White House has been to be focused on the next contest. And if there is a primary challenge, that’s
what they have to deal with first. Robert Costa, thank you very much. Still with us at the table, the “NewsHour”
table, Mark Shields, Amy Walter, Peter Wehner, Karine Jean-Pierre, and Chris Buskirk. I want to take you back to one of the president’s
comments tonight. We have been talking about rejecting the politics
of revenge. But this is — I believe this is right. Am I hearing you correctly, those of you who
are talking in my ear? (LAUGHTER) JUDY WOODRUFF: The chunk of sound that we
want to play, this is when the president spoke about the constitutional amendment that gave
women the right to vote. Let’s listen. DONALD TRUMP: And exactly one century after
Congress passed the constitutional amendment giving women the right to vote, we also have
more women serving in Congress than at any time before. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) JUDY WOODRUFF: Dressed in white, in honor
of women’s suffrage. Mark Shields, that was a striking moment,
because the president is celebrating the fact that women, more women are working than ever
before, more women elected to Congress. Of course, most of those women are Democrats. Republicans lost numbers of women in the House
of Representatives. MARK SHIELDS: That’s right. We are now talking about 80 percent of the
women in Congress are Democrats. The 35 elected in 2018, all but one was a
Democrat. And I think, even beyond that, as you look
at the diversity, I mean, the religious diversity, all the Hindus, the Muslims, the Buddhists,
I mean, are Democrats. I mean, all but two of the Jewish members
are Democrats. I mean, it is just — it is a — it’s fascinating
that the Republicans have become narrow. And I will just say this about Donald Trump. He is — his strategy, as Robert Costa was
talking about it, is totally alien and contradictory to that of George W. Bush, who added 11.5
million votes from 2000 to 2004. It’s totally alien to that of Ronald Reagan,
who went from… JUDY WOODRUFF: You mean relying on the base,
trying to rely on the base. MARK SHIELDS: Relying on the base. The point is to enlarge it, Bill Clinton — or
anybody who won a second term. I mean, it is just that tending the base and
holding the base and courting the base and wooing the base and making sure — I mean,
I just think it is a very finite and limited political strategy. JUDY WOODRUFF: But we heard Robert say — Peter
Wehner, we heard Robert say what they are focused on right now is a potential Republican
challenge. PETER WEHNER: I think that’s right. And they’re also, frankly, focused on impeachment. They have to. With the specter of impeachment, he has got
to keep his base there. I want to say one thing Mark said with the
contrast with Reagan, which is true in many ways. One of the things I was struck by — and I
wonder if people really fully realize — is the degree to which Donald Trump has transformed
the Republican Party on a whole set of issues. There was not a word about spending or deficits
or limited government or liberty. Illegal immigration, Ronald Reagan gave amnesty
to three million. And Trump devoted so much of his attention
there. Protectionism, Ronald Reagan was a free trader. Donald Trump is a protectionist. He was critical of NATO. He had more critical words to say about NATO
than he did with North Korea. And one of the things that a lot of us during
the primary season said, that Donald Trump could do to the Republican Party that Hillary
Clinton never could do, is to transform it, because he could do it from within. And I do think, if people went back and read
the speeches of Reagan or Bush, and contrasted that with Trump, they would see a very dramatic
change in the tone and policy and the heart and the spirit of the GOP. JUDY WOODRUFF: Chris Buskirk, how do you read
that contrast between this president and another Republican president, Ronald Reagan? CHRIS BUSKIRK: You know, I am glad you asked
me that question, because when I was listening to Stacey Abrams. I was — and her talking about Ronald Reagan. The 1986 immigration bill, Ronald Reagan said
afterwards that he got rolled, and that it was a huge mistake that he signed it. So that is a bit of revisionist history there. He did it. He regretted it later, and he thought that
it was something that he could have done better. I think that — I think that Reagan and Trump
actually stand in a long line of intellectual continuity within the American Republican
Party. Reagan’s policies were appropriate and salutary
for the country in the 1970s, ’80s, into the ’90s. But our biggest problem right now is not the
taxes, marginal taxes need to go down, or that we need to defeat international communism. It is about — statesmanship is about applying
the same principles to different circumstances. And that’s why I think that Donald Trump’s
stance on things like immigration or on trade, on China and so on, or what he calls principled
realism in foreign policy, I think those are consistent with the Republican Party’s principles
for a very long time. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Pete’s point, that the
fact he didn’t talk about the debt, didn’t talk about spending is, I mean… (CROSSTALK) CHRIS BUSKIRK: This is — I will tell you,
this is the strangest thing. There is a bipartisan consensus right now
to totally ignore the debt, until it blows up in somebody’s face. And then I think the plan is just blame it
on who is in office then. And it is a huge mistake. JUDY WOODRUFF: Amy Walter, do you want to
pursue that? (LAUGHTER) AMY WALTER: On what happens when we get there? Listen, the two parties are now really reflective
of their constituencies and of who their bases are. And we got a very strong example of that in
Virginia this week, and the blowback to Governor Northam and the blackface incident. And now, of course, we have his — the lieutenant
governor of the state with sexual assault allegations. It is a Democratic Party now that is reliant
on voters of color and women to deliver the votes. The Republican Party is reliant on older white
voters to deliver their votes. And so they are reflecting their constituencies. And the constituency that made up the Republican
Party in the 1980s, many of those folks now are Democrats. We saw that transition and the realignment
in the 2018 election. Those suburban voters who had been voting
on fiscal issues for all those years and stuck by Republicans, saying, I am fiscally conservative
and I want government to spend my money smartly, maybe they were a little more socially moderate,
they definitely were not happy in 2016 with their choices between Trump and Clinton. Many of them didn’t vote for Donald Trump. And two years later, this is a constituency
that, I would argue many of them a Reagan constituency, that has absolutely abandoned
the Republican Party. And now it is small-town rural America, many
of which had been the Democrats’ base, that make up what the Democratic Party is. JUDY WOODRUFF: So with — Karine Jean-Pierre,
with the two parties headed in opposite directions, is it smart for the president to do as he
did tonight, to say, you know, to say to Democrats, let’s work together on a few things, but still
to hold — you know, to stick to his guns on the things that he thinks he needs to — you
know, to not move on? KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: There was no surprises
in the president’s speech tonight. He basically spoke to his base, which is a
small and shrinking base, which is something that he does all the time. To me, there was no difference from what he
did at the State of the Union address tonight with what he does in front of a rally. It was — he gave maybe two minutes or so
of bipartisanship, but everything else was a doubling down on divisiveness, hateful rhetoric,
and this is just the way Donald Trump is. He believes that, in order — if he is looking
towards 2020, which it seems to be, that he needs to double out and continue to shore
up his small base. He has never been a president for everyone. He has never — from the moment that he stepped
in — into the office, the day of inauguration, it has been about carnage, it’s been about
divisiveness. So, there’s — so there’s no surprises at
all, and this is what he is doing, but it is going to hurt the Republican Party. We saw that in November with suburban voters,
in particular women in suburban areas. They are sprinting away from the president
and the Republican Party. And also independent voters are sprinting
away from the Republican Party. So they are going to be in a tough spot in
2020. JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to come back to you,
Robert Costa, because you started all of this by pointing out that the president at this
point, despite the — some talk about reaching across the aisle, is very — is hyper-focused
on his base. ROBERT COSTA: And it is, Judy, perhaps historically
notable in the way the president disavowed socialism. He addressed the rise of a vigorous new left
in this country, a movement that was stoked by Senator Bernie Sanders in his 2016 campaign,
was then championed in 2018 by new Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the new member
from New York. And he is saying to the Republican Party,
there will never be a socialist government in this country. That is a rally cry for a right wing in this
country that is nervous about this vigorous left. And he is saying that there is a line in the
sand between that vision that is emerging on the left and his own that he has cultivated
on the right. JUDY WOODRUFF: Robert Costa reporting for
us from The Washington Post. I want to spend the remaining time we have
here, Mark, looking at how the president has set the table for this coming year, whether
it is immigration, whether it is — whether they do something together on infrastructure,
but trying to shore up his base and, frankly, making sure he is in as strong a possible
position, given that there may be a Mueller investigation result that is not favorable
to him — we don’t know — and any number of other things that could go wrong, other
investigations that are leading somewhere. MARK SHIELDS: No. I mean, I thought if, in fact, he was secure
with his base and not worried about losing support with any kind of impeachment effort,
which I don’t see immediately on the horizon, then doing the infrastructure, and particularly
drug prices, in a bipartisan way, I think, is just a political winner for the president. But it was almost cursory, it was almost pro
forma, the way he did that. I mean, you know, infrastructure has become
a throwaway line. It is like the balanced budget constitutional
amendment. I mean… (CROSSTALK) JUDY WOODRUFF: But a lot of people would agree
the country is in desperate need of getting its infrastructure fixed. MARK SHIELDS: I agree. Everybody talks about it, but nobody does
anybody about it. JUDY WOODRUFF: Well… MARK SHIELDS: I mean, he asked for $1.5 trillion,
and the Congress appointed $21 billion, and, you know, which was, what, one-half a percent. You know, it was just the last year. I mean, but he is asking the Congress for
a plan, instead of coming in with a plan. I mean, and on the prescription drugs, I mean,
I think it is a winner for him. But I saw tonight more word paid to it, and
not sort of that sense of passionate commitment. That’s where you get the coalition. That’s where you get the bipartisanship, if
he really wants it. JUDY WOODRUFF: And that’s something the Democrats
have said they would like to work with the president on. MARK SHIELDS: Sure they would. JUDY WOODRUFF: Pete Wehner, how has he set
the table, do you think, for this coming year? PETER WEHNER: Well, I don’t think the speech
will have set the table. I think it was primarily a political speech,
as opposed to a policy speech. State of the Unions are always a mix. But this is a White House, if you talk to
Republicans on Capitol Hill, which I have done, where the policy process is broken. So I think you have to view most of these
initiatives that he mentioned as basically public relations. Look, the country, unfortunately, is going
to be more divided at the end of this year than it is right now, because you have several
things that are going to happen. You have a president whose natural instinct
is toward the inflammation of the body politic, who seeks to divide. That is what gives him energy. And, secondly, he believes that it is in his
political interest to do it, for the reasons that we have discussed. And, third, you are going to have the Mueller
report. It was very interesting. At the beginning of the speech, he — his
tone and his countenance struck me. It was like he was hit by a tranquilizer dart. And when did he begin to become animated? It was when he went after this illegal, partisan
investigation. And that is the thing that is closest to his
heart. That’s what he tweets about. And that is what draws his energy. So, you know, I wish it were something else,
but I don’t think that this speech will have been a foreshadowing of the year to come. I think that it will be viewed as a parenthesis. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, do we just go back to the
way things were after the speech… AMY WALTER: Yes. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Pretty much. JUDY WOODRUFF: … as if the State of the
Union never happened? Amy Walter. AMY WALTER: I was reading this line where
he said, we can build new coalitions, forge new solutions, break decades of political
stalemate. A lot of people voted for Donald Trump thinking
that is exactly what he would do. I don’t think they were — they weren’t totally
naive, but they did think, here is somebody who is going to come into this process who
is not attached to the party. He has no ideological moorings. He can kind of go wherever he needs to go. And I was wondering that, too, that, in that
moment of time between the election and his inauguration, was there going to be this moment
where the president could reach out and create these new coalitions? We knew these new coalitions had formed in
the 2016 election, especially in the Upper Midwest that had for years gone Democratic
and went to the GOP. So there was this chance, whether it was with
infrastructure, prescription drugs, certainly the opioid crisis. That could have been the first thing out of
the gate. It would have absolutely put Democrats back
on their heels, because they wouldn’t be feeling very sure of what to do with this, right? Well, we have got to work out with the president. He’s saying things… JUDY WOODRUFF: Rather than trying to kill
health care. AMY WALTER: Right, absolutely, not only kill
health care, but the very first thing he did was the — was calling for the travel ban,
right? That was the first thing out of the box. JUDY WOODRUFF: That was the very first… (CROSSTALK) AMY WALTER: And, at that moment in time, you
could see that potential going away. And the other issue, the other reason we are
not going to see bipartisanship, there is just an absolute lack of trust there. There was always wariness with the president. But after the debacle over the wall funding,
there is not one Democrat right now who I talk to who thinks it is worth putting any
stock in anything that the president says to you in private or in public about — whether
it is about infrastructure or other things that they can agree on. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, given that, Chris Buskirk,
how does this president get anything done that he wants done going forward in this climate? CHRIS BUSKIRK: Yes, I think there is always
the opportunity for a president to reset the table and take action. The question will be, will this one do it? And I, for one, would like to see it. I think I have heard other people who are
on the left say, in some instances, narrow instances, they would like to see that too. Infrastructure is, again, one of these things
that has been in every speech. Where is the legislation? Preexisting conditions, those are things that
could be done, or at least solutions offered. Drug prices, these are things. But you really have to push a legislative
agenda hard. And that requires working with Republicans
and Democrats. I don’t expect bipartisanship. People like to say that to kind of win the
day. Politics are real. The disagreements are real. But there are places where people can find
common interests, political interests, and pass some of these things. JUDY WOODRUFF: Criminal justice reform. CHRIS BUSKIRK: Sure. JUDY WOODRUFF: And then the president keeps
coming back to that. And the Democrats, Karine, come back to that
as well. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Right, right. It was a — it is a first step, hence the
name of the now law. And if some — that would be something that
Democrats would work on to make it better, along with infrastructure and other things. But it is just — it is just not going to
happen because of just the speech that we saw tonight. But there were a couple of differences tonight,
something that Donald Trump surely has never seen before, is, it is probably the first
time in his career as a politico that he spoke in front, an audience that was majority Democrats,
right? It is a divided government. And that is something, that does sit in his
craw, because he knows the Mueller investigation, the question of impeachment. Now there’s the SDNY that he can’t even control. There is no one he can fire there. JUDY WOODRUFF: Southern District of New York. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Yes, right, Southern District
of New York that is now looking at — now looking at the inaugural committee and sent
out subpoenas a couple of days ago. So, we are living in a new world for Donald
Trump. The one thing I want to say that was kind
of comical, when he talks about women, and everybody stands up and clapping, and he is
acknowledging them, the funny thing about it is, he is one of the reasons why many women
decided to run in 2018 and take it on, because they wanted to… JUDY WOODRUFF: That’s right. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: … to be a part of Congress,
to stop the madness that they were seeing. So it is kind of comical that he was, you
know, acknowledging it, but he is kind of the catalyst for it too. JUDY WOODRUFF: It was striking, because a
lot of these women to decided to get in and jump in and run because they were… KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Right, because of what
they were seeing. JUDY WOODRUFF: Opposed him. Well, our time is just about at an end. I have to say, some news is apparently being
made tonight. Amy Klobuchar, the senator from Minnesota,
has tweeted that she will have an announcement to make, I think, in a few days. So it sounds like maybe she will be, what,
the fourth woman to announce that she’s running for president… (CROSSTALK) KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: Fourth woman, crowded
field. JUDY WOODRUFF: … on the Democratic side. MARK SHIELDS: Everybody satisfied? (LAUGHTER) JUDY WOODRUFF: Hey, we will talk about it. We will talk about it. KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: It is historical. It is historical. JUDY WOODRUFF: I just have to thank these
wonderful people for sticking with us through this — this extraordinary State of the Union
night. Thank you for joining us. I want to thank again all of our guests, Mark
Shields, Pete Wehner, Amy Walter, Karine Jean-Pierre, Chris Buskirk. Thank you all, and, of course, to our correspondents
at the Capitol, Lisa Desjardins, Yamiche Alcindor at the White House, Robert Costa there at
The Washington Post. Thank you, all. And thank you for watching. Stay with us. Our coverage will continue online. Tomorrow, we will have our podcast State of
the Union after-show, available at 6:00 a.m. Eastern. Get up early and watch that. Listen to that. And be sure to tune in to the “NewsHour” tomorrow
for a full report and analysis. For all of us at the “PBS NewsHour,” thank
you, and we’ll see you soon.

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