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Letter From a Frustrated Artist – Draftsmen S1E11

August 18, 2019

100 Comments

  • Reply Proko August 13, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    Do you guys have any advice for Rafael? How do you deal with frustration?

  • Reply LadyAlleria August 14, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    My one profesor told me that I am an amateur and shouldn't be in this Academy. I was laughed so many times, even now. I am going to end Academy in a two month and my teachers still look bad at me (exept one).They made me to redo my diploma from a scrach. I learned my value by this.
    This sound stupid but You have to learn to like yourself. Every time I have a bad day painting, and complain at myself, my mom tels me:"do not insult my daughter". 😉

  • Reply Joe Pearman August 14, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    I'm on Raphael’s Boat. My art sucks and I've been trying to get good at it for a lot longer

  • Reply Heronjim August 14, 2019 at 3:27 pm

    Advice given to Vollaton by another artist was that his frustration came from not loving his craft. Learn to love making art while you are doing it instead of thinking about the results of it and your art will instantly improve. Concentrate on the prize, you miss the target. Concentrate on  the target,  you win the prize.

  • Reply Chris Johnson/ Airbrush Artist August 14, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    I would have to say there's never going to be a time that you except your work as being perfect, just acceptable. Accepting certain flaws is what makes a deadline. It's the curse of any artist in any trade. I know too many people that say this painting isn't done because of it and in reality they don't you to point out there flaws. You spend so much time looking close and closer just wanting to see a flaw. Which is what other artist do when they look at someone else's work. Upholsterer's look at stitches, welder's look at welds, cabinet makers look at joinery, etc, etc.

  • Reply oakktree August 14, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    “This is the real secret of life — to be completely engaged with what you are doing in the here and now. And instead of calling it work, realize it is play.” – Alan Watts

    Enjoy the plateau.

  • Reply Marie August 14, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    where can i get a talent pregnancy test?

  • Reply Real Idiot August 14, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    Proko has a small nose

  • Reply Afrida August 14, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    yo Rafael, just be PROUD!! Cuz when ur proud u have more fun drawing and that helps u be more positive and draw more! which equals to more practice and thus u can develop ur skills better too! u have spent so much time on drawing and have become pretty good with hardwork and stuff… just coz u wanna get better, ur frustrated A.K.A. striving to be a better self…and thats actually positive thing if u ask me..

  • Reply Mariana Pott August 14, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    Rafael, ta tudo bem, a gente não precisa se estressar ou frustrar tanto por alguma coisa sabe, tente "ser o seu melhor dentro do seu pior", isso pelo menos tem me ajudado a lidar com a frustração de parecer muito ruim enquanto todos os outros são bons. Se parecer que não tem melhorado, olhe algum desenho de uns 5 ou 10 anos atras e vc vai ver que teve uma melhora <3 não seja tão duro consigo

  • Reply Flame Alligator August 14, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    I had to make a choice early on between dance and art. I chose dance because one can only dance so many years. I started as a child. We fumble and fail a lot but my first teacher was wonderful. Telling us that the first time we did a pirouette, we won’t remember how we did it but our bodies will find it again. Patience. Class was technical skills. The last part was free flowing and fun.

    When I returned to drawing, it was frustrating. My drawings looked like a 5 year olds. No, I will never show them to anyone. Then I remembered the patience and acceptance I learned as a child in dance class. When I become frustrated with my drawing, I take a few days off. It always makes me long for it. When I return, I see the flaws and how to improve on them. I also see what I like about my art work. Or at least what I can tolerate.
    Raphael needs time away from art.

  • Reply Baykal Sarioglu August 14, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Raphael, let your drawing has a story then those "flaws" won't matter that much

  • Reply Juan Calvo August 14, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    Raphael, what exactly are you doing in those 7 daily hours of drawing practice? As a cartoonist you'll do fine. For anything else, get some art teacher who tells you exactly why you suck and work on that particular problem.

  • Reply MOStein August 14, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Just from listening to that email, He is far too analytical, and not intuitive enough. I've been in this mindset before and you will never be satisfied with anything you draw if you view it from this sheer objective lens of perfection/linear improvement. When you draw, you are not solving a math problem, you are making a creative expression. You will never have a drawing that is "literally perfect" or anything close to it. Ever. Not even the best in the world can achieve this, just because you can see some tiny error(s), doesn't mean 99.9% of people who view your art will be able to see it, and most people who can spot it probably won't care unless it is a jarring issue on a fundamental level. Honestly as long as your fundamentals are solid and your drawings are structurally sound, the rest doesn't matter.

    Further improvement in the small details is just intuition and will take a very. long. time. to develop this. Some people's intuition develops faster than others depending on their personality type, or their experience with other creative work/hobbies/tasks.

  • Reply NATA5 August 14, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    25:56 god damn it, who put this in there?

  • Reply HSP August 14, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    I'm not convinced that there is something like talent beyond basic physical attributes but maybe there is. Are you doing art because you are talented ? Or are you talented because you do art. Good luck coming up with a definitive answer.

  • Reply Dark Matter August 14, 2019 at 6:35 pm

    Rafael.
    Hey, buddy. Get yourself a better art teacher, but more importantly, you've a very wrong attitude towards art. Don't expect to see 1:1 improvement by increasing the number of hours you put on your studies.

    Your foundation is shaky. Your strokes show restraint and mental battle. You said you fell in love with drawing, but your works speak otherwise. You're very aggressive with your strokes. You're suffering more than you need to. Don't use erasers. Get yourself a big mirror, so that you can work on improving symmetry. Your forearm, wrist and fingers are very weak. Train them. Make them strong. Practice quick, bold strokes, and precise but very slow strokes. When you're good in these exercises, get yourself a long pencil; break it into pieces; join those pieces back. Use this pencil, especially while drawing things you struggle with. This much for the craftsmanship.

    But, before you follow the above methods, you need a break. Hide all your art material someplace where you cannot see. Don't scribble, or watch any materials related to art, for (I recommend 2 months) at least 23 days. Start incorporating meditation. Most of the 'how to' videos on youtube are craps. Look for 'vipassana', and look for videos made by eastern monks ( just a rule of thumb, not necessarily true). You don't need to quit smoking, well.. not right now. When the time comes, you'll quit it willingly.

    And, about the visions, images. Everybody sees them, but only a few are aware of them. You just need to practice unfocused attention in order for these images to have a viable impression on your gross mind.

    And, regarding frustration. You're frustrated because you're comparing your past with the future. JUST BE, and you shall enjoy the fruit of Art that has consumed millennials since the dawn of the time.

    Now, some harsh words. You're partially right, your work sucks(true for every artist). You did notice that microexpression on Proko's face. How couldn't he? First he's a teacher, and secondly, he knows his audiences. You're right, you're making extremely slow progress. But, I don't think you'll need another 10 years either. I believe you can eventually reach this 'ok' level,. By 'ok' level, I mean, you'll be somewhat above or below popular art YouTubers. But, if you really want to imprint your work in art history, then it takes a lifetime, and often even lifetimes aren't enough. If you're here only for the destination and not for the journey, then buddy, art isn't for you.

  • Reply Birgit Blume August 14, 2019 at 6:42 pm

    So funny and profound. Love your podcast! Thank you!!!!

  • Reply marxistbros370 August 14, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    Oh man you laughed about lung cancer. Used to like you, Proko. 🖖🏻

  • Reply marxistbros370 August 14, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    Wow man. Yeah you’re a great artist, I don’t know what to do with this though.

  • Reply marxistbros370 August 14, 2019 at 7:28 pm

    You guys might be right. A lot of knowledge and wisdom between the two of you. But I’m shocked by the initial response to Raph’s question. #stilllearning #neverstop

  • Reply Caitlyn Waltler August 14, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    I feel like stan was taking too many jabs at the rhetoric and turning it into semantics. I think he puts too much weight on certain words and decides to use them cautiously for some reason. Mastery, for example is possible well within all things, such as the saying, "The more you know, the more you don't know." You can master you craft but still have things to learn. Beethoven was a master of music, yet even he made mistakes, and even on his deathbed he learned from a Handel manuscript. Mozart made mistakes all the time, and so did chopin, liszt, debussy, and Schubert. They all made mistakes, but they were well within masters of composition, technique, and their respective genre. You asked if you are a master based on what perhaps Marshall didn't know, and put him in a tight spot, all for the sake of proving a point in a terrible manner. Just say you're not a master of drawing hands, but say you're on the road. Don't demeanor marshall on a topic only you can judge yourself on.

  • Reply Fantom Limb August 14, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    Holy shit that topic was intense!

  • Reply Ishmael Hutson August 14, 2019 at 7:53 pm

    I never knew I needed this

  • Reply CaptainPecato August 14, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    These episodes just keep getting better and better. Talk about learning… you both are showing us what it looks like to improve as you go because you enjoy the process. Very cool episode! Thanks!

  • Reply victor carvajal August 14, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    probably the best advice I can give is to listen to the song "hakuna matata" several times

  • Reply eric schultz August 14, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    Frustration happens when reality doesnt match our desires. When we are frustrated, our bodies tense up. Our hands and arms (the portals that show others our inner visions) stiffen and become more unwieldy.

    Each stroke of the brush or pencil is a message about the artist's current state. If an artist is hungry, their strokes will hasten so they can eat sooner. If they are tired, their strokes will be longer and slower.

    When your body is stiff, your arms and hands wont be able to to accurately create the vision in your mind. This parallax will lead to more frustration. An endless cycle of frustration as reality differs from our inner vision. Its easy to forget one of the most fundamental fundamentals: healthy posture.

    Let go of your frustration. Take a brake. Lower your expectations for awhile. Draw abstract, draw environments. Draw bad on purpose. Draw things that dont require perfection. Treat drawing like a stranger and fall in love with it again.

    If you can spot flaws in your art, thats a sign you are improving. Flaws are a good thing that separate drawing from photography. Flaws make each drawing unique and attach the image to their creator. If everyone drew perfect realistic art, we'd be cameras and not humans.

    An artist puts their life and soul into their works. We will always find flaws, especially when we spend hours or days working on a piece. Remember that the average viewer only spends a few seconds looking at our work and won't see the flaws.

    Also, Stan used the blackwing in the zoo sketch video a few weeks ago with Aaron Blaise. They probably got a bump in sales from that exposure.

  • Reply SaOrA6 6 August 14, 2019 at 9:41 pm

    you know what leveled up?
    Proko's use of memes

  • Reply FinalStand August 14, 2019 at 9:46 pm

    25:55 why … like just why ,good thing i wasn't drinking anything

  • Reply Rafael Dantanna August 14, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    Not the guy, same name and totally happy for that e-mail. I'm struggling with quite the same issue. These podcasts are making my journey more pleasant and hopefull. Thank you guys very much! Stan and Marshall, you guys are awesome! Love from Brazil!

  • Reply Twofigo August 14, 2019 at 10:32 pm

    I'm an obsessor.

    But I've gotten better at laughing at all the flaws I'm making, than tearing the paper appart in frustrated. Giving out a little giggle as i accidentally make the face cross-eyed makes it so much easier to continue drawing, and not doing the same mistake next drawing.

    I don't often carry an eraser, because if i did I would rub the paper appart before getting satisfied. I try embrace the flaws. As long as i can see the flaws i can get better.

  • Reply VictorianEvening August 14, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    14:29 That just gave me hope.

  • Reply Lord Vath August 15, 2019 at 12:24 am

    I actually am finding a lot of help for this same type of frustration from the book called, "The Artists Way" by Julia Cameron. But its been really interesting seeing the same type of subjects weekly in each episode released of the podcast. Keep it real guys, you have a gold mine in these videos!

  • Reply jeffhreid August 15, 2019 at 1:01 am

    Very compelling episode. Excellent commentary

  • Reply jeffhreid August 15, 2019 at 1:41 am

    My advice for Raphael is to do some exercises and use some tools / techniques that allow for objective comparison of results and progression. For example Bargue copies done using the sight size method. The completed image is a direct reflection of the reference. If he times his exercises he can see progress over time and won’t be tempted to obsess over the work because the time has elapsed. As for tools I suggest a proportional divider. Using one helps train the eye and hand to observe and transfer observations onto the page/ canvas.

  • Reply alexvid43 August 15, 2019 at 1:45 am

    after seeing a few drawings by him, i feel like the problem isn't really about rafael's skills but more about the pre-production phase. he should try to spend more effort on the idea and imagine how it should look before drawing it, then doing rough lines and composition to see if it works before spending hours on the drawing, it could save up a lot of time. To me the pictures he designed are simple and cartoony pictures that work pretty well. For example: the guy on the tank… if it was meant to be cartoony then it's just good but i don't really understand what he wants to express through it and this might the problem… the subject and the composition.

  • Reply Kat Landreth August 15, 2019 at 2:06 am

    I think he should consider talking to a counselor about this. The level of frustration and reactions described, if they're as consistant as he says, are beyond normal occasional frustration. I think his teacher is correct, if he's having that strong of a reaction he won't be able to see the forest for the trees and objectively review areas he could improve. I honestly think talking to a counselor about this would be very helpful. Just like you would ask a professional art teacher for advice about art, there should be no shame in asking a professional psychologist or counselor for advice about anger management and personal growth.

  • Reply DoggoKYS August 15, 2019 at 2:37 am

    Stan is wise

  • Reply PounchPounch August 15, 2019 at 2:52 am

    Wow that's some powerful comment section, I'll just share my frustration here: I've always been bad at school, I'm not very smart, I love playing video games, I love drawing even if I'm not particularly good at it and above all I try to do 2D animation, right now I'm working a little short personnal animation a little scene with a little story, and the final project should be 4 – 5 minutes long and guess what, I'm on it since september 2018 and did nothing else exept some life drawing in the street

    I'm extremely slow, and I feel like I'm getting slower, sometimes I work on it only 20 minutes a day and sometimes I don't work on it at all, I'm lacking motivation and yet sometimes I think of the satisfaction it would give me when finished but I don't work it, I refuse to think that I might not be interested in animation anymore because I think it's not the case, but I really don't know how to work harder on my project, my marks were not really good in school so I think that I don't have the discipline required to do the project I want to do. What do you guys recommended?

  • Reply Piggy Tsai August 15, 2019 at 2:54 am

    I haven’t finished watching the whole video but it already talked about some of the things I really needed to know! And discovered that I’m obsessive :0
    But how do you know you’re working toward the right direction when you’re not improving though? How do I know whether or not it’s just a stage to the next level?

  • Reply DeeDah August 15, 2019 at 4:20 am

    My piece of advice for you Rafael is this: You can stand nose to nose with the most famous drawings and paintings in the world and you will NEVER see the mistakes. Mistakes are what help define us. Be kind to yourself. In my youth, I was arrogant. I had skill and talent. I didn't think I needed to practice drawing boring still-lifes. I wanted to paint big important things. My arrogance lasted 25 years. It didn't bring me fame or fortune and it never brought me joy, because I stopped. I couldn't sell myself. I wasn't a natural salesman. So, I only drew in secret. Now that I'm 69 I'm going to paint JOY. Whatever brings me joy!

  • Reply Alexey Garmash August 15, 2019 at 4:38 am

    Hi everyone!
    Stanislav and Marshall, your talks are not only informative but also funny to watch!
    Here is a question, maybe a theme for the next video?:))
    How much should I know as a concept artist, to be able to launch my career as fast as I can?
    Ultimately there is a tonns of topics, but could we simplify it somehow?
    For example, 3D takes a big part of a process at the moment, but sometimes it underestimated.
    I found an Illustrator & Concept Artist Learning Path on Watts atelier web page.
    https://www.wattsatelier.com/online/our-learning-path-students/illustrator-concept-artist-curriculum/
    and it consists of more than 20 courses and workshops, BUT!
    there is nothing about a digital thing they all traditional when I saw it the first time I was just….F…K!!!!!!
    I don't say – let's skip the traditional things at all but, I think we need to simplify it more and learn some tips and trick to speed up the process.
    For example, if you are already over 30 you just don't have as much time as young ones.
    And you need to train yourself in the fastest and in the most precise way to break into the industry.
    This guy had the same aim, and he heavily uses 3D. It helped him to nail down his art skills very fast, in his interview he said he already was familiar with 3D when he decided to start over
    His Illustrator career, and also he was over 30 YO. And he needed it as fast as he can. So he learned just all the basic art principles like composition and light and shadows etc.
    And just put it on his tech. core knowledge ( software).
    So what I was scared and confused about is a huge number of traditional mediums in the Watts Programme. While the Industry itself heavily demands a good knowledge of the software.
    Do we still need to use this approach (very traditional core) or the learning methods are changed now?

  • Reply Austin Foster August 15, 2019 at 5:06 am

    this has been one of the most helpful things ive seen lately, I am a digital artist, and although I spent 10 years and a lot of money getting a BFA in digital art, I have yet to really have any success or get a job doing art, I did get to meet Kevin Eastman(creator of TMNT) and he said I was a good artist, so that was pretty cool…anyways! if you are frustrated try to really figure out what specifically your frustrated with, and whittle away at them, is it line quality, flow, or time spent on one drawing, or shading/rendering, or detail vs simplicity…pick one and focus on getting better and you will improve in all aspects, and then move to the next thing! Also remember that when you finish a piece, that at that point you are the only person who has seen it, but you need to get feedback from other people to convince your brain not to destroy it! i.e. don't believe everything you think! if you love doing something, you owe it to yourself not to quit…but you can and should take breaks! sorry for all the exclamation points…but writing this is also helping me take my own advise. cheers!
    https://www.artstation.com/austinfoster

  • Reply GettinLa8d August 15, 2019 at 6:54 am

    Why would you want a painting with bells and whistles (high technical prowess) if there isn't anything for our feelings to resonate with? I think at that point its purely aesthetics. Some of the greatest art works in the world make us FEEL some sort of way, and not exclusively by having high technical achievement.

  • Reply Cloudizc August 15, 2019 at 7:44 am

    6:16 I´m the wise guy (duh).

  • Reply bolang ka August 15, 2019 at 8:24 am

    In the far east they have something that’s call the Chinese bamboo tree. The Chinese bamboo tree takes five years to grow. They have to water and fertilize the ground where it is every day, and it doesn’t break through the ground until the fifth year. But once it breaks through the ground, within five weeks it grows 90 feet tall.

    Now the question is does it grow 90 feet tall in five weeks, or five years?

  • Reply MIGUEL PINEDA-DRAWS August 15, 2019 at 8:41 am

    Oh boy
    I hope Season 2 of the Draftsmen podcast is a musical

  • Reply ABHED PATIL August 15, 2019 at 8:45 am

    Its not about how hard you hit… Its about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward…. How much you can take and keep moving forward…. Thats how winning is done…

  • Reply DeyARMY August 15, 2019 at 9:03 am

    Min 3:31 ME
    I extremely relate to this

  • Reply oli x August 15, 2019 at 10:22 am

    So, Rafael maybe you don't like the style of your drawings, or the way you shade,etc. I would recommend you find artists that you like. Make boards on Pinterest of illustrations where you like the colors or the shading or whatever you like. Also don't always study, 'couse studying is frustrating.There are a lot of popular artist that are not masters,don't know all the muscles and bones etc., but there stuff are pretty,aesthetic nice to look at.Use them for inspiration.Look at something and try to draw it,but not exactly the same,don't make that your goal.Your goal should be to create a piece you like, not an accurate one.Try not to make basic anatomy mistakes like drawing the hands too long etc..Watch videos,sketchbook tours.All that fun stuff. I recommend Chris Hong videos on YouTube she has some fun studies. There are so many drawings that don't require master skills,simple but pretty .You don't have to make it complicated to look nice .Draw things that are not too hard for you,that are fun,that make you exited.And study to get better,but not all the time .Just watch art YouTube videos they are full of hacks and tips.For example before drawing the body with all its muscles an easier way to peruse it with circles watch jazza and his video for how to draw bodies in different positions.Watch how to videos they are simplified and help you draw easily.Good luck!

  • Reply misominmiso August 15, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Listen to draftsmens podcast while drawing, it will get you in the right mood! No smoking needed 🙂

  • Reply Tasya Nabila August 15, 2019 at 11:56 am

    "You need to be talented."
    Strike me really hard

  • Reply Amanda Lynn August 15, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    Lol! I'm 34, been drawing since I was a toddler. I've had artist block for 18 years. It takes time to develop skill, they even said this. I've hear from many other artists that hate their art. I am critical of my art too, but my audience loves it. Show it off, you may hate it, but it could be gorgeous to some one!

  • Reply idan August 15, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    does Marshel has an audio book?

  • Reply Star Lord August 15, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    Still waiting for that Karl and Kim jung episode

  • Reply swiirlee August 15, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    I think it should also be said that you should also like WHAT you're drawing.

  • Reply George Bestman August 15, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    "Every success and every failure are equal bricks in my mansion."

  • Reply George Bestman August 15, 2019 at 5:13 pm

    Bring in some guests!

  • Reply Super Nerd Entertainment Show August 15, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    @proko; I have a question if I may, about the whole mastery or "art" If you can never master it (and I understand your point) how do you know when or even if your art work is good enough to share and in the end sell?

    At what point can you turn around and say yeah this is good enough to charge someone for, or yeah this is good enough that I can take a monthly wage doing this? 

    If your goal is not real life/realism/photo realism but just to produce works that people enjoy, like, love and want to have on their wall, or on a t-shirt or whatever. How do you know you are at that point? Is it a case of just keep trying to sell work and you know when someone buys it, it was good enough to sell?

    @Marshall you suggest going on to teach, you might not be the world's premiere draftsman but you have the ability to teach, again how would you know you have this ability, where and how would you go to prove this? If your portfolio is not so hot, how are you going to go to an educational facility and say hey I totally have what it takes to teach humans to draw. Even in a Youtube series, how would you know if what you are saying is helpful or useful and not damaging? I have looked at a number of "teachers" on youtube give hints, tips, advice and "how to" and I actually feel the information is destructive to new artists, or misleading or just plain incorrect, based on their own clear lack of understanding.

    You could do either of these things selling art and teaching art with total abandonment and just not care, but what if you care about being the best, and doing a good job and not screwing up someone's education or feeling like a fraud taking people's money for work you feel is not worth what you are charging (but you have to)

  • Reply Kaique August 15, 2019 at 7:25 pm

    SING MARSHALL SING

  • Reply Tony August 15, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Please sing more, Marshall. That was everything I needed this afternoon.

  • Reply Stephanie Wozny August 15, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    You are very wisdomous, Stan.

  • Reply Gabriela jivkova August 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    Top 10 rappers Eminem is afrade to diss 4:00
    Jokes aside 😀
    This is note my self that I wrote a while ago :
    "Push through the bad phase of art embrace the "uglyness"  the flaws the lack of knowledge or skill ,see your art in that bad light, let it be ugly !
    By acknowledging those parts of your art and trying to imrove while being okay with it ,but probably the most important is to fall in love with the act of creation to be truly free from judgment of your current stage."

    That such a good topic to discuss thanks to Rafael for writing the email .
    I think the best advice I can give is to take a look at what is going on in your life maybe even your childhood and try and find what is the thing that makes you think you're not "enough " maybe that's plays a role in your artistic development and you're trying to compensate to try to be "enough" in your art .
    I see you are good at art, it's not as bad as you presented to be …
    I think you are person that keeps hammering at the problem and that leads to even more frustration instead of seeing solutions you see even more problems instead of solution .
    Try develop healthy habits in your life , when you feel that frustration do something don't overthik it just go out on walk, clean your work space anything to prevent you from getting you more frustrated.
    Best of luck to you Raphael!

  • Reply Luis Fernandez-Izquierdo August 15, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    interesting painting behind Proko … can you show it a bit more?

  • Reply Katie Kerr August 15, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    If y'all wanna make this so more people watch it, title the caption "I've practiced for 10 years with no improvement, what can I do? (Or however many years it was)

  • Reply ThePolygator August 15, 2019 at 11:00 pm

    that old dude is talking SO MUCH…but hes not saying shit.. hes just quoting other people and giving strange examples and goes offroad way to often. so many points where all u can say is "wtf is the man talking about". just because hes old, it dosent mean hes some kind of all knowing entity. idk i dont like the man i get some shady taste with him, maybe its just me

  • Reply Алиса Косолапова August 15, 2019 at 11:55 pm

    Probably a bit of weird comment, but for the first time in my life I'm enjoying drawing hands. And it's because Marshall's hands are just beautiful. Man, I'm having a blast, really! I'm pausing the video to draw hands and it feels amazing. So… thanks for that >< (yeah the podcast was very good too :D)

  • Reply Syncra August 16, 2019 at 12:10 am

    My fine artist mentor told me that our consistent "mistakes" are what makes us unique. Instead of hating "mistakes", play with them, take it in a different direction just for the fun of it. So as I strive for realism I play with a more illustrative or even very abstract take on the area I labeled a "mistake" and enjoy that particular exploration. I'm a dabbler and a very new artist, so in my avoidance I've explored other mark making techniques and enjoyed the journey. Now I'm coming back around to drawing. Thank you Stan & Marshall!

  • Reply gmeliberty August 16, 2019 at 1:08 am

    Stan: “You can enjoy it starting tomorrow, if you choose to.” Wisdom.

  • Reply drunkbobo August 16, 2019 at 1:20 am

    You know how sometimes you go on vacation, and when it’s almost over you need a vacation from your vacation…? Raphael, you need to take a week off from drawing. Immerse yourself in something else for a bit. Read a couple of your favorite books, binge a series on Netflix, pick up something else to get your creative “fix” like cooking… And when you get back to drawing just have fun!

  • Reply Marie August 16, 2019 at 3:45 am

    Rafael and anyone else feeling similar I highly recommend Noah Elkrief's youtube talk "Why Confidence Can't Make You Happy".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMkzagOAxBw

    You are not your failures or your successes. Your self-worth is not dependent on your drawing. You may think it is but it is not FACTUALLY and OBJECTIVELY —-True.

    Take a moment to congratulate yourself and feel appreciation for your progress. You may not be where you want to be, but you can still take pride in yourself–because you are doing what you want to do and you're taking steps to improve. Draw from that space of inner appreciation and joy. Remember that because that's what inspired you to draw in the first place–JOY and FULFILLMENT.

  • Reply DarthVaderAnakin August 16, 2019 at 3:54 am

    This is great!

  • Reply Isabel Borges August 16, 2019 at 5:22 am

    A fellow frustrated Brazilian artist…

  • Reply Anton Deckman August 16, 2019 at 5:31 am

    im so ADD, that the beginning of this video had me on a Beatles Youtube wormhole for a while, but im back …. for now

  • Reply SueTheHue August 16, 2019 at 7:11 am

    i just love your podcast, you two have a great thing going for you!

  • Reply SueTheHue August 16, 2019 at 9:01 am

    marshall and stan my ears are glued to your lips and i love your insights on the process of creating and personal growth. im truely thankful that you two are doing what you are doing.

  • Reply NarpytheCrimeDog August 16, 2019 at 9:24 am

    Everybody must now address Stan as "The Great and Wise Proko."

  • Reply Michel Ferreira August 16, 2019 at 9:58 am

    Stan the Wise. That's some baddass nickname for a good RPG.

  • Reply Michel Ferreira August 16, 2019 at 10:07 am

    These podcasts feed my soul.

  • Reply DESS DESS August 16, 2019 at 11:28 am

    Proko is so wise.

  • Reply Liz Gridley - Artist August 16, 2019 at 11:37 am

    I love the point of the rule of fun as someone who is scared of heights because of the fear of falling i want to learn to have fun with the feeling (soft crash mats help but still!) Just as i have always focused on what i learn when failing in drawing…

  • Reply Rahul Rajeev August 16, 2019 at 1:15 pm

    The best one so far.❤️

  • Reply Mixuter August 16, 2019 at 1:22 pm

    Marshal:literally anything
    Me:wow thats deep

  • Reply Status Quo August 16, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    This seems like a person who doesn't take enough rest to integrate skills.. how the f*** can you even still hold your pencil if you draw 6-7h a day on top of your dayjob?
    The balance seems wack here.

  • Reply Gisi August 16, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    XD you are awesome guys

  • Reply Drew Mariano August 16, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    Analysis paralysis

  • Reply Grendel Prime August 16, 2019 at 5:53 pm

    Rafael, I've been a professional artist for 25 years who has struggled with procrastination, self loathing, negativity and worst of all Perfectionism. It has kept me from pursuing an avenue of art I love to do, of which I'm in the process of changing, but I can say 25 years is a too long a time to be pinned down by my inhibitions and frustration.
    You need to share your work with other artists who are interested in seeing you grow. Understanding this is important because you need to know critiques are honest, genuine and delivered with your best interest in mind.

    Perfection is paralysis – This is true in Art, Business, Planning and Strategy. Once you come to terms with this and free yourself, you will improve. Bless you.

  • Reply DashCourageous August 16, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    It's Christmas! Woo!

  • Reply Dave Barrack August 16, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    I'm a little surprised you guys didn't mention Impostor Syndrome, which is essentially where people doubt their abilities despite evidence to the contrary. I think a lot of artists suffer from it. I know I do. I've been a professional artist for years, but I've never considered making any sort of art tutorial videos or anything like that because every time I sit down to draw I feel like I have basically no idea what I'm doing. Even when I have a good day and put out a piece that I'm momentarily proud of, I go and look at some pro artist on Artstation and it makes me feel utterly incompetent by comparison. I think a lot of artists, and probably anyone doing something remotely creative has issues like that.

  • Reply Joshua Jensen August 17, 2019 at 3:44 am

    If this fellas is able to see his mistakes in everything he draws, what is he doing to reflect on them and adjust/learn/adjust for the next situation? I get the feeling he is not using his self analysis to his advantage. I'm working to be a professional comic book colorist and I'm constantly frustrated with my work…to a point. The network of other colorist around me is always forth coming with advice and most of the time they say "hey, good but remember the fundamentals of color theory". This usually leads me to start asking the right questions of myself or others and helps get me back on track. The other thing I do is look at photos of real life, art, and comics from professionals that I study or admire. There are times when I'm looking at a Matt Wilson, Dave Stewart or FCO colored work, it will take me an hour to get through a 22 page book because I'm just looking at everything carefully and soaking in the knowledge.

    This guy's work is very stylized and enjoyable to see, each has its own life to it. I agree with Proko, stop being over critical and just keep drawing.

  • Reply Opti Zensidar August 17, 2019 at 8:33 am

    You know. it's not a laughing matters. Just because you were born with the talent it doesn't made you somehow ABOVE us who didn't win that genetic casino and got that sweet preinstalled right vision from the get go! Just because it got easy for you doesn't mean you have any RIGHTS to laugh at person who have to struggle with it for a decays!!! You know, instead of laughing why don't you give some ACTUALLY USEFUL advice to right way to improve faster already!

  • Reply krunal mangrola August 17, 2019 at 8:57 am

    My first Draftsmen podcast. So much wisdom in 40min. Love the chemistry between them, it's for more like friendship than father and son.❤️ Marshall has so well insight into things I can't even express.

  • Reply Adiel Ben ari August 17, 2019 at 10:43 am

    to the frustrated- talented student who wrote the letter
    watch this amazing artist: Donato Giancola – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVobHV2R5iI
    very inspiring.
    and thank u for a great show, haven't fished watching it, but I will after the beach.

  • Reply John Edelmann August 17, 2019 at 11:18 am

    Why is there a skull on the table?

  • Reply mnoldbstrd August 17, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    I had a period of time where I would say, that I lost my inspiration. I recently picked it back up. I always find flaws in my work and have often wanted to trash it, but I don't. I leave it in sight, look at it and do little touch ups once in awhile.
    On another note, as a carpenter, I was told by an older carpenter, that when I think I know everything there is to know about my craft, find something else to do. Never stop learning.

  • Reply Jayymes August 17, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    Jesse pinkman and Walter White in the future.

  • Reply DoranArtMedia August 17, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    Sounds like he's writer who should be writing (;

  • Reply DoranArtMedia August 17, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Ray Doran, 50 years old "I wish i believed i was great in animation school"

  • Reply David Philips August 17, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Advice for Rafael from a professional musician.

    I make my living playing guitar and singing. I've been playing concerts since I was 10 years old (I'm 43 now) and i'm still learning and improving. But one thing that struck me about Rafael's story is it is very similar to mine when I was studying jazz guitar. I was obsessed!! I would practice 9 hours a day and gig in the evenings and I seemed to get worse. I got so angry and so frustrated, but I was determined, so I just practiced more and more until one day I went crazy and quit altogether. I hardly touched my guitar in 6 months. Then I got called for some blues gigs and I started to improve! I was hardly playing and I was getting better by the week. I came back with a fresh perspective and what I believe to be the key to learning and breaking plateaus… TAKE TIME OFF!!!
    Your mind and body need time to assimilate all the new information you are feeding them and they just can't keep up if you don't take time off.
    Rafael, take 2 weeks away from drawing. Don't touch a pencil in two weeks. Forget about it. Live a bit. Do something else. Then come back and go easier. Less hours a day, a day or 2 off a week. I'm almost certain you will see better improvement. It sounds crazy and counter productive, but you can study, and even care, too much and you just get all bound up and tight and hateful and then your art/music will look/sound like that.
    I haven't practiced guitar in years now. I just play gigs and run the tunes I have to play for those gigs, and I am still improving. Those 9 hours a day are still showing results 10 years later. No joke!
    Hope that helps.

  • Reply Boggesh Zahim August 18, 2019 at 1:16 am

    I looked at his art. He has nothing to feel bad about, keep it up friend. His centaur drawing is breathtaking

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