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CineStyle for Better Images and Best Export Settings for Web! – Film Riot

October 30, 2019


This episode of Film Riot brought to you by
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a champion, someone who’s successful in shiz. Flow with it. Welcome to Film Riot, the show that takes
the mystery out of the effects and techniques that go into some of your favorite Hollywood
films. I’m your host, Ryan Connolly. Now DIY, no/low budget shooting is no easy task. We
typically never have enough gear or enough help or enough time to really get the shot
100%. So right now what I’m going to talk about
what one of the things that you can do to help a whole lot in post, and I got an email
to justify my love. “Hey fellas, I’ve been hearing about the Cine Style thing a lot.
Can you talk about what it is and why I’d wanna use it?” See, now that some emailer
aid right there. The type of email that makes me wanna make
an episode responding to the email’s inquiry. So, that’s what I intend to do, right? Now. Alright my sexy ladies and well just fellas.
The Cine Style is a picture style made by Technicolor, which as they say on the site,
optimizes the dynamic range in your image and dynamic range is just the level of dark
to bright you can have in your image while still retaining detail. The best way to shoot
with any camera, including a DSLR, and the way that I have shot with the Canon 5B up
until this point has been with a flat profile, meaning you go into the camera’s image settings
and turn down the contrast, the saturation, and the sharpening. That way, there is a little image adjustment
happening inside the camera which gives you much more room to work in post. Of course
when it comes to cinematography you really want to get the look, in camera. When I do
a big project then I can take more time with it, I like to light and shoot to get my image
as close to my final look as possible in camera. But unfortunately, with low, no budget film
making this is rarely an option. Not many of your friends are going to be willing to
stand around while you light the scene just right for an hour. Or you may be jumping onto
a location for a shoot and need to get in and out as quickly as possible. These are
the times that you made that extra wiggle room and post to be able to take that color
as far as you need to. So to show you what I mean here let’s jump
to some examples, shall we? Here we have an uncolor corrected shot. This one was done
with Canon’s neutral profile. Now, I’ll switch to a new profile. This is my custom picture
setting. Still no color correction, but flattened out like I talked about before. And finally here is the technicolor picture
settings. As you can see, there’s far more dynamic range here, tons more info in the
shadows and the highlights. So right now the and the color picture style looks very flat
and not so great, but the point is to retain as much of the info as you possibly can so
in post you can push the image as much as possible as much as possible. So let’s do that. First we have the neutral
setting which is without color correction and then here we add some color correction
on it. Next is my flat perrot file, again uncorrected and now corrected and finally
the technicolor profile, uncorrected and then corrected. I was able to do a lot more work
with the technicolor profile because there is more information attained in the image
so I can push the color and the highlights and the lows much more than I could with the
other two and I’m able to do that while still keeping detail in the shadow and highlight
area. I was extremely impressed with how big of
a difference this profile made when I first started using it. It’s a gods end for my image.
The ability to get some more detail in my shot is extremely helpful in getting the final
look I want in post. Especially if you want a highly stylized look, you really need that
extra bit to play with so you that you can take your image all the way to the point you
need it. Just as a quick example of that I’ll take
this shot which was done with the neutral setting then the same shot with the same lighting
but this time with the technicolor profile. Now I’ll take them into Final Cut Pro and
add some contrast. In the shot in the neutral profile, I can’t go very far at all. But with the technicolor profile, you have
miles to work with in comparison so I can really dial it in much better. One downside
is that it’s easy to expose incorrectly while using this profile so I took the advice of
Shane Hurlbut and I used the neutral profile, or one that’s really close in style to what
I want the final to look like, and I use that to light and expose my scene and then I flip
over to the another profile to shoot with. James said to do this, and he is definitely
right because the first profile will give you a better read of your final image so you
can see what the lighting exposure is going to be like, then the technicolor profile will
be able to give you a lot more detail to use in post. There you have it, that is the technicolor
profile and the best thing about it is that it’s free. The down side though, is that it is only for
Canon DSLRs right now, but if you have one jump over to the web site technicolor.com/cinestyle
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have asked me this very question. Ryan, I am shooting with a DSLR but my footage is
very hard to edit with. Do I need to convert it first? And another along the same lines
would be. All your videos have really good quality on YouTube. What export settings do
you use to keep good quality without a big file size. If so, get the both of those in that order,
that exact order, huzzah. So before you edit with DSLR footage you need
to make sure to convert your files to something more edit-friendly first. And there are a
lot of ways to do this, but after testing them all, the best way in my opinion is also
the cheapest and that is by using MPEG Streamclip, which is a free program you can download right
now. And it is super easy. All you need to do is
open MPEG Streamclip, click list then batch list, now drag all your clips from your card
into this window. Once you do that, you will be prompted to tell MPEG what you want to
do. Here you will be exporting to Quicktime, then click okay, now choose where you want
to save your files, and now you’ll go to get all these options for export.I use Apple [xx]
to edit which I’ll boost the quality all the way up, deselect interlay scaling, and click
batch. That’s it. Your footage will be imported and
you’ll be ready to edit. Now for exporting, again there are many ways to do this, but
it’s all about what Kodak you use. And for me, I love H264. And since I’m just going
to web, I usually just use quick time conversion inside of Panell Cut Pro. So once you go there
to export using quick time conversion you’ll go into options, set the size you want for
your video and then into settings, select H264 from the drop down and I usually put
my quality right under high. I find that this works perfectly for exporting
for the web. The file size stays low and the quality stays high but now you’re ready to
render. And I know, I just showed you using Final Cut Pro. But the process is the same
in any editor. The buttons are just in different places. So I hope that answered a lot of your
questions. Go, go import and export, like crazy. No go,
ah man, what, we’re done here you know. But there’s more goodness to come. We’re working
on a few really cool things coming in the next few weeks, including the red episodes.
I was hoping to start those this week, but the camera was a bit delayed. But we have
it now, so been doing some sweet BTS of what we’re doing with that, a lot of cool stuff
with the red cam starting next week. Should be a blast tassy, until then you could
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a candy store with a new toy since I now have the delicious Red Epic, which is not red by
the way. It’s black, which is weird. Oh, my God!

91 Comments

  • Reply Jackson Welch November 29, 2012 at 1:05 am

    Not exactly, thats just how canon DSLR's see the style as, if you set your camera like that the image wont look the same.

  • Reply Hopping Mad Media December 1, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Is there anything like this, or that works as effectively, for Nikon?

  • Reply CrazyxMatt December 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    is there any good alternatives to mpeg stream clip on the mac

  • Reply ZachFB Studios December 7, 2012 at 5:30 am

    Use the Animation codec at 100%

  • Reply paperC CSGO December 8, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Cinestyle doesn't do anything more. You can do it custom.

  • Reply Filipe Chagas December 21, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    lol, no.

  • Reply JunkInTheTrunk December 21, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    The Grade he does doesn't do it justice at all!

  • Reply Giovanni Castellón December 22, 2012 at 6:05 am

    this was very useful 🙂

  • Reply Equilibrium December 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    plz ckeck out my video it is only 6 sec : /watch?v=klAHtLK7AsQ

  • Reply Klay Buckingham January 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Does the DSLR have to be canon?

  • Reply Callum Russell January 5, 2013 at 5:11 am

    There's a great one for PC and Mac, And it compresses the file very well, and doesn't delete ANY information. Just look up Avid DNxHD. 🙂 Enjoy!

    and sweet we were born in the same year 😀

  • Reply Luke Egan January 5, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Use dnxhd, its pretty much the same but cross platform. You can download it free from avid.

  • Reply Hazardous January 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    How much should I set the settings for with a canon t3i ?

  • Reply gitburdan January 7, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Free? It says 99$ when i visit that page.

  • Reply canturgan January 8, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    I like the flat look.

  • Reply Razaul Karim January 10, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Hey there, do you know "photo SFX art" (just search on Google for it …)? There you can watch a good free video explaining the best way to create fantastic photos. It made it easier for Matt to create pictures which leave you with a wow-effect whenever you look at them. It might help you also.

  • Reply Mckenzie Reive January 21, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Cinestyle profile isn't free, although it says simply sign up to receive a free download it continues to bring you to the page of 99$, help!

  • Reply Daniel Johnson January 28, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    I have a PC, and I've been messing around with export settings a LOT this past year. Your best choice is to export as an mp4. In Premiere you just choose the setting of H.264 (not H.264 blu ray). If you use the H.264 Blu Ray setting it will not be able to upload to youtube.

  • Reply migz January 30, 2013 at 12:42 am

    How can I install it?

  • Reply JP90 January 30, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Now we've got to wait for H.265….. Can't wait for it's release!

  • Reply Moist Lint February 19, 2013 at 4:17 am

    DNxHD

  • Reply Moi Nom March 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    i downloaded technicolor color style but can not figure out what to do with a pf2 file?

  • Reply Mark Treen March 3, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    click the prodcuts link. they have the profile for free and the assist for $99

  • Reply Mark Treen March 3, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I think you guys are AWESOME.

    Can you please give recommended setting for using that app when bring movies into Premiere Pro, what codec etc… I know how to use PR to get those same export setting.

  • Reply Barrett Bright March 4, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I speak english, am from America, and I'm young… but you sir, talk way too quickly. Do you by chance do crack?

  • Reply The Post Color Blog March 11, 2013 at 3:17 am

    Maybe I'm just overtired, but what products link? I just looked over the page like 3 times for it lol

  • Reply Mark Treen March 11, 2013 at 4:33 am

    Sorry click Profiles tab at the top.
    You'll see FREE DOWNLOAD on the right.

  • Reply Amarsanaa Ravdansambuu March 28, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Wow he was skinny looking

  • Reply Eric April 4, 2013 at 4:58 am

    I'm new to all of this, but if i understand this correctly, this is just useful if you're going to color correct in post? I've never done color correcting so I suppose I should learn how to do that first before downloading cinestyle. 🙂

  • Reply ShaadRoq May 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    This video just changed my life as far DSLR video editing. I really appreciate all the info, my workflow is about be so much better.

  • Reply MAVPMedia May 16, 2013 at 3:26 am

    ~4:19 looking at the histagram doesn't help for exposure? I see it change when I switch Picture Styles. I compared Neutral to the new X Series. or does this tip only apply to when I want to use CineStyle?

  • Reply Rosa Brand May 19, 2013 at 5:13 am

    Mine too! I love these guys.

  • Reply Brandon Moye July 8, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    For MPEG Streamclip for Windows what would your recommendation be?
    Since I'm sued to doing Prores on my Mac, I'm not sure about an equivalent method on a PC. Help?

  • Reply Matthew Ligotti July 19, 2013 at 4:02 am

    Wait, you convert your video files before editing them…?

  • Reply Isaías Rodríguez July 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Thanks that makes things clear.

  • Reply EmilPesonen July 30, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    I still don't know what picture style I should use. A lot of people tell me that just shoot in Canon Neutral (-4,-2,0,0) and worry about custom picture styles later. Now when I got Cinestyle everyone is telling me that it sucks and it's overrated? :s

  • Reply Samuel Vayro August 11, 2013 at 1:50 am

    I believe this post-production of Tell was in full swing at this point, thus Ry-Gy wouldn't have had much time to, well… Eat.

  • Reply jornpresents August 16, 2013 at 8:33 am

    So, why would I convert my video files before editing? Does it make editing quicker in for example Adobe Premiere Pro CS6? Otherwise I don't see the point.

  • Reply FinnGlinkMovies August 24, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I just tried it. The Flat Picture Style Miklos described contains much more Color and Sharpeness than Cinestyle. So in CS you have more Data to change and grade.

  • Reply Marcos Nogueira August 25, 2013 at 5:37 am

    I don't think it's necessary anymore.

  • Reply The Post Color Blog September 24, 2013 at 2:39 am

    I wouldn't say that it sucks, but it does have it's downsides. It removes a LOT of contrast which sort of gives you a false sense of incredible dynamic range. However, when you bring it in your computer and try to grade it you may start ruining into issues with artifacts and things like that. Not useless. But maybe not the best.

  • Reply Change Ay October 7, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    What are the best export settings for instagram?

  • Reply Change Ay October 7, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    it helped me in fcp7, when I add my footage to my timeline I dont have to render it, it saves me time & render space…

  • Reply WarTorn Productions October 10, 2013 at 4:20 am

    WOOOOOO! Canon Ftw. Thanx really helped!

  • Reply Streetwise Visuals October 30, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    FOR CINESTYLE AND EOS UTINITY WATCH OUR LATEST VIDEO. FREE DOWNLOAD. GaosmediaNL

  • Reply adidaas November 5, 2013 at 1:17 am

    you can natively edit the mov-files in premiere and a lot of other software. export it to quicktime h264, not mpeg (much better)

  • Reply adidaas November 5, 2013 at 1:19 am

    it's not about how the footage looks out of camera. it's about how far you can edit it before getting full blacks and burned out highlights.

  • Reply FinnGlinkMovies November 5, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Thats about just what i said 😀

  • Reply adidaas November 5, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    ups, got it wrong man 😉

  • Reply JFCBFilms December 22, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Am i the only one who gets noisy shots as fuck when using cinestyle? I mean you have to use way more contrast in post and that much contrast really brings out all the noise/grain. 

  • Reply Bob Flavin February 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Lut Buddy is now being charged for by Red Giant, anyone know how I can install a LUT file without it?

  • Reply Pablo Quiroz February 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Whats the difference between editing with .mov and .mpeg files?

  • Reply Courteney Ashley February 25, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    Thanks for the video, I have learnt a lot!

  • Reply Nathan Hawthorne March 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    The captions say "no go" when your logo pops @ 7:40.

  • Reply TheLonesometoad May 11, 2014 at 4:00 am

    Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell do I do with these files and how are installed on my DSLR?

  • Reply Marcus Tjällman May 17, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Come on, do I really need James Franco? Does it work better? What´s the catch?

  • Reply stablizershock July 14, 2014 at 8:10 am

    How to use the profile?

  • Reply Noah Reaser August 12, 2014 at 12:05 am

    James Franco lol

  • Reply Jed Camara August 17, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    Cinestyle is overrated, I prefer visioncolors Visiontech picture style

  • Reply MrJellyconelly September 6, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    THANK YOU RYAN

  • Reply Vinny Vincent September 10, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    downloaded mpeg but it doenst have the apple pro res option. Whats the next best thing?

  • Reply Vasil Nikolov October 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    What exactly are the settings of your custom flat setting

  • Reply hitmanvan November 22, 2014 at 2:41 am

    Is there a technicolor thing for Nikon DSLRs?

  • Reply Marcus Vinnas December 28, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Hey guys, have you ever tried VISION COLOR/TECH profiles? Tis!

  • Reply Martin Jewell January 24, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    I go to the download page and it stalls there, I can't seem to get it to download. Help please.

  • Reply Olov Svedjeland Ödlund February 3, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    can you have both magic lantern and cinestyle?

  • Reply Tomas Krzysztofik February 12, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    sorry guys ,  I've done a lot of a test and cine style dont increase dynamic range !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Reply jayala111 March 6, 2015 at 3:41 am

    Is it normal for the export using QuickTime conversion to take over a few hours to export a timeline just under 18mins? Or am I doing some thing wrong, I used the same setting used by Ryan on this FilmRiot episode.

  • Reply ToyDoe March 20, 2015 at 8:28 am

    so doi go to the game section and download the profile there? (im editing video game footage i record through elgato game capture card)

  • Reply CTPiCTURES June 21, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    can someone tell me what's the difference between cinestyle and just dropping the contrast and sharpness on the auto? 

    THANKS!

  • Reply Rami Bahrani July 15, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    can any canon DSLRs shoot in one picture profile and view in another in Liveview (for correct exposure etc. Blackmagic can do this in camera)?

  • Reply Learning by Hearing August 5, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    I think cinestyle is very interesting but you should use it on cameras like the 5d and with good lenses.on a t2i the image gets very noisy and its really difficult to make look good in color grading..

  • Reply xdeex98 August 11, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Does exist any alternative for this program that has Apple ProRes for Windows PC?

  • Reply E Williams October 27, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    Ryan 2011 vs Ryan 2015…woh.

  • Reply New West Films TV November 4, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    GRACIAS

  • Reply Forever Films & Skits January 30, 2016 at 1:15 am

    You 2011 Ryan, why can't ya be like 2016 Ryan and learn how to color grade?

  • Reply Alex February 16, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    what if I dont have james franco?

  • Reply Carter April 24, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    2:47 all three images looked better before color correction. Most people ca't grade for shit..

  • Reply zactivix May 2, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    Great explanation and demonstration of the CineStyle Profile – thanks

  • Reply Precise Films May 29, 2016 at 2:10 am

    http://www.technicolor.com/en/solutions-services/cinestyle

    Updated link

  • Reply BadKarma 714 February 13, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    2011 vs 2017 lol love this guy

  • Reply BadKarma 714 February 13, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    can you use cinestyle with magic lantern installed

  • Reply tgchan March 26, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    They all look like shit after grading…

  • Reply shofimu May 5, 2017 at 2:00 am

    Miss Mpeg streamclip 🙁

  • Reply Creepy Filmz June 19, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    they don't have the download link in description

  • Reply Joshua Kirby November 24, 2017 at 4:27 am

    You guys should have an update to this video for 2018.. except like end of 2017.. or tomorrow 😀

  • Reply Odd _pistachio1 December 14, 2017 at 7:06 am

    Film Riot: Quality content since 2009.

  • Reply Taylor Prince January 20, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    u talk alott

  • Reply 투띠Tutti October 24, 2018 at 11:55 pm

    watching this video of this fastest talkative person can cause vertigo.

  • Reply alberto villa December 16, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    Ryan 2014 vs Ryan 2018-2019 how did he change his voice (in post) hahaha just joke! This channel is still one of my favorite and its where i learn more

  • Reply gautam matti December 18, 2018 at 6:21 am

    Ryan looks like sheldon cooper. Haha

  • Reply Jody Bruchon March 4, 2019 at 12:41 am

    No one should be using CineStyle, period. Use Standard or Neutral. CineStyle ruins your footage. At 3:08 you can see why. Only the "Canon's Neutral" footage has the leaf detail in the left side of the window and you can see the loss of critical color information in the skin tones and the window trim.

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